[Big beautiful bill] MAGA add 6 trillion dollars in debt while kicking off 17 million off Healthcare

U know this bill is sht when they are delaying it's effects to time when dems get into eventual power so they can btch the same Ole talking points to fool the gullible low iq American citizens

 

1.4 MILLION illegals are on Medicaid now. Infuriating. No longer with the passage of the new legislation.

 

How are there 1.4 million ILLEGAL immigrants on Medicaid?

https://ccf.georgetown.edu/2025/06/...e-mythbuster-on-medicaid-cuts-and-immigrants/

The White House fact sheet says that, under the House bill, Medicaid will better serve the American people “By removing at least 1.4 million illegal immigrants from the program.” This is unequivocally false.

As we have covered previously, comprehensive Medicaid coverage is not available to undocumented immigrants. The 1.4 million immigrants the White House presumably refers to are immigrants who will lose coverage due to reductions in state health care programs, funded by states and not by federal Medicaid dollars. The figure comes from various Congressional Budget Office (CBO) analyses which find that the total loss of coverage under the House bill will include an “estimated 1.4 million people … covered under current law in programs funded by states.” (Emphasis added.) This state-funded coverage is not Medicaid. The White House’s claim that 1.4 million will be dropped from Medicaid is simply false. And, by the way, reducing state coverage for immigrants certainly won’t help Medicaid better serve Americans—it will increase the challenges for Medicaid and the entire health care system. Furthermore, some of the immigrants who lose state coverage will be in families that have U.S. citizens and will now face increased health care challenges and financial risks.

Now for the irony. The reason some states are expected to drop state coverage programs for these immigrants–mostly programs for low-income children–is that, under a penalty in the House bill, the states would be hit with huge cuts to their federal Medicaid funding if they don’t cut their state programs for lawfully present and undocumented immigrants. The cuts states are being threatened with to their federal Medicaid funding, however, is for standard Medicaid expansion coverage provided to U.S. citizens. In other words, in order to force states to drop state coverage for immigrants, the House bill threatens to cut federal funding for U.S.citizens. The CBO estimates that this provision in the House bill will save about $11 billion in federal spending; but this is not from the possible state reductions to immigrants, it is likely from assumed reductions in federal Medicaid expansion funding for U.S. citizens. In other words, not only does the penalty provision not reduce federal Medicaid funding for undocumented immigrants, but it would actually reduce federal Medicaid funding for citizens.

And that’s just the penalty provision. The rest of the House bill would take Medicaid coverage away from nearly 8 million everyday Americans—again, not undocumented immigrants—who certainly won’t be “better served” by Medicaid after the bill. The White House “Mythbuster” is mythology of the most dangerous kind.

 

Big Beautiful Bull**** is what I'm calling it.

 

Big Beautiful Bullshit with a budget to run Alligator Auschwitz

 

A nationwide chain.

 

Medicaid-style programs, some of which are funded at the state level. Same difference, amigo. Don't play word games with me and think you'll win. Government dollars are going to illegals -- my point stands. The great news is this -- it comes to a HARD STOP under this bill.


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And yet, this is ultimately about word games. Because the federal government does not dictate what state governments spend their budgets on. Cutting medicaid is not about punishing people in the United States illegally. It's about gutting a social service used by millions of destitute Americans to justify tax breaks for whaling captains in Alaska.

Cutting Medicaid is going to punish small regional hospitals as they're the ones seeing many of these CITIZEN Medicaid patients who will still seek out health care but without Medicaid meaning the hospital has to swallow the cost and these hospitals already cannot absorb any more costs.

Somehow Alaska received a carve out though.

The federal government cannot gut medicaid but keep EMTALA on the books. Full stop.

 

It could, depending on the wording and restrictions on it.

 

Yes. That's good. But it's still kind of low for servers at some locations

 

We did. I and other libertarians were against it, Democrats were for it.

We did. I and other libertarians were against it, Democrats were for it.

We did. I and other libertarians were against it, Democrats were for it.

No, we don't. Inheritance tax only impacts the rich. Almost every estate pays zero inheritance tax.

Honestly, I have not seen anything on farm bailouts. For what it's worth, I am against them (and I would suspect that is the general libertarian position).

Most of your examples relate to corporations, not rich people. A significant percentage of the American people own stock in corporations, largely through retirement funds (401ks, pensions, etc.). Do you think the NEA or AFT is in favor of letting big corporations fail? Do you think the UAW wants the auto companies to go bankrupt? These are not decisions that benefit only the rich, they benefit those who are heavily invested in the collective. The rich don't need any of those bailouts (and the fact that they take advantage of them by paying themselves enormous bonuses are one of the many reasons I oppose them). The bailouts were very popular because people didn't want their retirement accounts to take a hit.

I pay a corporation that paid to install lines to provide the internet. Were it not for the government ensuring monopolies, I would have many options on who would provide internet and could probably get a much lower rate. I also am stuck with a terrible energy company.

There don't need to be a bunch of small, independent organizations. You are all already members of a huge organization. Instead of focusing on electoral politics, the Democratic party could focus on implementing all of the policies that you hold dear. Instead of raising money for elections, you could raise money to pay for all of the programs that you want to implement. All the money that Democrats currently pay in taxes could instead be applied directly to whatever you collectively prefer, with not a single Republican vote required.

Actually, they can do it to the degree government can. Just replace taxation with membership dues to the Democrat party and you will have all the money Democrats pay in taxes to apply to the same efforts, only with zero opposition.

I am well aware that I am not allowed to opt out of the government and forego all of the "services" they are "providing to me".

Trust me, you are not coddling me at all. I pay far more than I receive.

 

You know what gets me is libs seem to be very jealous of billionaires, but most billionaires vote for the Dems. Ever ask yourself why this is?

Meanwhile conservatives want things that will help the middle class like no tax on tips and especially no tax on overtime. The guys that work for/with me say this is going to make a big difference in their lives.

 

You're so full of **** it's not even funny, I'm not sure if you believe the crap you spew or are generally this stupid.

 

You're a real deep thinker.

Tell me what in my post isn't true?

I'm going to assume that you dont know what you're really voting for. Here's a clue (The eventual destruction of the middle class.)

 

So building a prison to house ILLEGALS is akin to a concentration camp? Where do you come up with this crap?

 

Bingo... liberal policy positions are often rooted in jealousy and other psycho-emotional flaws (need for revenge being another, frustration, need for control over people). Conservative policy positions are rooted in a deep desire to uplift humanity through proven policy approaches. One works, one doesn't. Some of the most insecure people I know are extremely wealthy Democrats. Their brain is wrapped in a pretzel and they become openly hostile if they don't get their way (high need for control). They then apply a highly paternalistic approach to governance that restricts freedoms and directs people what to do... instead of giving power and individual liberties to the people -- as the Founding Fathers intended.

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What countries are the illegals coming from?

Mexico
El Salvador
Guatemala
Honduras
Cuba
China
Dominican Republic
Philippines
Brazil

ALL OF THESE COUNTRIES OFFER PUBLIC HEALTHCARE TO THEIR CITIZENS. So these illegals are not being kicked off health care coverage. They are getting kicked off their SECOND OPTION.

Son, you just got OWNED.


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