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[ Unconstitutional War] US joins Israel in declaring war on Iran

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by astros123, Jun 12, 2025.

  1. HTM

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    No chance @Reeko would believe Gabbard on anything he didn't want to but when he does want to he pretends to think she is credible.

    The people who were ranting Gabbard was a Russian asset/crazy person 6 months ago are now telling us she is completely reliable.

    :rolleyes::rolleyes:
     
  2. deb4rockets

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    Meanwhile Trump is being his usual self, once again wining and dining at one of his golf resorts for another fundraiser. Always gotta grift. Priority #1 in Trump's world.
     
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  3. Ubiquitin

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    It's about destroying anyone who opposes the formation of Greater Israel.

    Israel is backed by both the US and Russia. Israel still has relations with Russia and has refused to back Ukraine.

    Ukraine and Israel have had tense relations during the current Russo-Ukrainian War. Israel was neutral on Russia's annexation of Crimea in 2014. The thirty-sixth government of Israel led by Naftali Bennett condemned the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine and sent humanitarian aid. The current government of Benjamin Netanyahu also sent humanitarian aid. However, Israel refused calls to impose sanctions on Russia, provide lethal military aid or to send missile defense technology directly to Ukraine. Ukraine has voted for UN resolutions against Israel's occupation of the Palestinian territories. Israel has joined Russia and the United States in voting against a UN General Assembly resolution reaffirming Ukraine's territorial integrity.
     
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    Are any of Trump's appointees honest about anything? We know Trump is a pathological liar himself.
     
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    Not a single redeeming quality among the whole bunch of them.
     
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    Bingo. Youre 100% right. It has nothing to do with nuclear weapons.

    Your insight in this thread has been very productive. Thanks for your contribution
     
  7. Reeko

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    ah yes, the IC isn’t credible or reliable, but Netanyahu who’s been going on about Iran being weeks away from a nuke since the 90’s and low IQ Trump who lies as often as he breathes are whose words we should latch onto along with the warmongering neocons who duped MAGA into being in favor of the Iraq war because “muh WMD’s”

    braindead MAGA logic
     
  8. Ubiquitin

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    Our American Evangelical Christianity society is obsessed with dispensationalism. And a core tenet of dispensationlism is that modern Israel is ancient Israel and Israel is required for the rapture to occur.

    So as much as we call Iran terrorists for being run by religious nut jobs promoting violence across the world, it turns out our leaders are cast from the same mold. See Ted Cruz.

    Dispensationalism is a theological framework for interpretingthe Bible which maintains that history is divided into multiple ages called "dispensations" in which God interacts with his chosen people in different ways.[1]: 19  It is often distinguished from covenant theology.[2][3] These are two competing frameworks of biblical theology that attempt to explain overall continuity in the Bible. Coining of the term "dispensationalism" has been attributed to Philip Mauro, a critic of the system's teachings, in his 1928 book The Gospel of the Kingdom.[4][5]

    Dispensationalists use a literal interpretation of the Bible and believe that divine revelation unfolds throughout the Bible. They believe that there is a distinction between Israel and the Church, and that Christians are not bound by Mosaic law. They maintain beliefs in premillennialism, Christian Zionism, and a rapture of the Church that will happen before the Second Coming of Christ, generally seen as happening before a period of tribulation.[6]

    Dispensationalism was systematized and promoted by John Nelson Darby and the Plymouth Brethren in the mid-19th century.[7]: 67  It began its spread in the United States during the late 19th century through the efforts of evangelists such as James Inglis, James Hall Brookes and Dwight L. Moody, the programs of the Niagara Bible Conference, and the establishment of Bible institutes. With the dawn of the 20th century, Cyrus Scofieldintroduced the Scofield Reference Bible, which crystalized dispensationalism in the United States.

    Dispensationalism has become popular within American evangelicalism. It is commonly found in nondenominational Bible churches, as well as Baptist, Pentecostal, and Charismatic groups.[8][9] Protestantdenominations that embrace covenant theology tend to reject dispensationalism. According to the system's critics, most theologians acknowledge that there is no specific sequence of end-times events defined in the Bible. The Scofield Bible has been called "the most dangerous heresy currently to be found within Christian circles".
     
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    More about the rationalization of why things are the way they are in the US

    Scofield and his influence
    A disciple of James Brookes, Cyrus Scofield (1843–1921), began attending the Niagara conferences and became an advocate of premillennialism, specifically pre-tribulationism.  After several years of work, Scofield introduced dispensationalism to a wider audience in America through his Scofield Reference Bible. Published in 1909 by the Oxford University Press, the Scofield Reference Bible was the first Bible to display overtly dispensationalist notes on the same pages as the biblical text. Use of the Scofield Bible became popular among independent Evangelicals in the United States.  Its premillennialism led to a pessimistic social view within evangelicalism, to "not polish the brass rails on the sinking social ship", so that evangelism came to be focused on saving the lost rather than expanding Christendom.

    The Scofield Reference Bible came out at the peak of Bullinger's influence. Scofield's Bible confronted some of the ultradispensationalists' (Bullingerites') positions, including their divisions of dispensational time. As the Scofield Bible became popular among dispensationalists, it marginalized the hyperdispensationalist position in the United States.

    Influenced by Scofield, evangelist and Bible teacher Lewis Sperry Chafer (1871–1952) and his brother Rollin Chafer founded Evangelical Theological College in 1924. The school would eventually become Dallas Theological Seminary, the main dispensationalist institution in America.

    The Baptist Bible Seminary now located in Clarks Summit, Pennsylvania, became another dispensationalist school.

    The Fundamentals
    In the 1910s, another publication took hold within American evangelicalism. Known as The Fundamentals, its twelve volumes were published in quarterly installments between 1910 and 1915 by the Testimony Publishing Company. Funded by Union Oil co-founder Lyman Stewart (1840–1923) and managed by an executive committee of dispensationalists that included Clarence Dixon and Reuben Torrey, The Fundamentals helped solidify dispensationalist views within American Christian fundamentalism and the evangelical movement.

    The Scopes trial in 1925 served to unify fundamentalists, but the movement began to decline soon after the trial. Scopes trial prosecutor and public face of the fundamentalist movement William Jennings Bryan died a week after the verdict, and journalist H. L. Mencken portrayed supporters of that anti-evolution verdict as uneducated and ignorant. The fundamentalist movement began to decentralize after it lost Bryan. Dispensationalism's fate was tied to that breakdown.

    In 1928, Philip Mauro, seeking to re-invigorate the fundamentalist movement, pointed a finger at dispensationalism and in the process coined the term. Singling it out as the source of division within the larger fundamentalist movement, he wrote that the dispensationalist view was more recent than Darwinism and it eroded fundamental truths of scripture.

    In 1934, Evangelical Theological College acquired the venerable theological journal Bibliotheca Sacra (first published in 1844). Lewis Chafer's first public declaration that he was a dispensationalist appeared in that journal's pages. In 1936, he published a 60-page response to criticism from Mauro and other fundamentalists, entitled "Dispensationalism". That same year, Chafer renamed his school Dallas Theological Seminary.

    The conflict between dispensationalists and covenantalists continued through the 1930s and 1940s, leading to permanent divisions that shaped the fundamentalist movement.

    Pop prophecy
    The commercial success of The Late Great Planet Earth triggered a flood of books that featured dispensationalism's rapture theology. Lindsey published Satan is Alive and Well on Planet Earth (1972), There's a New World Coming(1973), and The Liberation of Planet Earth (1974). Other books included The Beginning of the End (1972) by Tim LaHaye, and DTS graduate Thomas McCall's Satan in the Sanctuary (1973) and Raptured (1975). In 1972, Iowa filmmakers Russell Doughten and Donald W. Thompson released A Thief in the Night, a fictional film about the aftermath of the rapture that has been seen by an estimated 300 million people. Televangelist Jack Van Impe covered current events in light of Bible prophecy with a dispensational premillennialist spin.

    The late 20th century marked a shift from the separatism practiced earlier in the century to more political engagement. This era saw emergence of the Christian Right, rooted in the dispensational theology that places Israel at the center of God's purpose in the world.

    In 1978, dispensationalist television evangelist Jerry Falwell began making trips to Israel that were sponsored by the Israeli government. He became the first major American political figure to insist that the U.S. must support Israel for the fate of the nation. Falwell listed Feinberg, Pentecost, Hoyt, and Walvoord as his most important influences.  Falwell and Tim LaHaye founded the Moral Majority in 1979, with its objective to get people saved, baptized, and registered to vote.  The Moral Majority also provided a platform for political activism. LaHaye, a lifelong fundamentalist and dispensationalist, became a prominent figure in the Christian Right. He served as head of the Moral Majority for a time, and in the mid-eighties he created the American Coalition for Traditional Values. In 1987, he served as co-chairman of Republican Jack Kemp's presidential campaign, until it was reported that he had called Catholicism "a false religion".

    Influenced by dispensational premillennialism, the Moral Majority lobbied for pro-Israel U.S. foreign policy positions, including protection of the Jewish people in Israel and continuing U.S. aid to the state of Israel. Opposed to Jimmy Carter's affirmation of a Palestinian homeland, the Moral Majority endorsed Ronald Reagan for President in 1980. In Reagan, they found a candidate who shared their apocalypticism. Reagan had read Hal Lindsey's The Late Great Planet Earth, and it has been suggested that this eschatological view drove his Middle East policies. In an interview with televangelist Jim Bakker, Reagan said "[w]e may be the generation that sees Armageddon." Dispensational theology affected more than the Reagan administration's Middle East foreign policy. James G. Watt, a member of the Assemblies of God and Reagan's first Secretary of the Interior, told Congress that preservation of the environment was made irrelevant by the imminent return of Christ.


    In 1980, Hal Lindsey wrote a follow-up to his book The Late Great Planet Earth. Lindsey had not previously drawn a connection from a Christian's personal obligations to a responsibility for social change, but this changed with his new book, The 1980s: Countdown to Armageddon. He began encouraging his readers to elect moral leaders who would reflect that morality within government, an agenda closely aligned with Ronald Reagan's administration.

    The megachurch movement
    The growth of suburbs through the 1960s led to the megachurch movement that began in the 1970s. DTS-trained pastors pioneered the movement, including Chuck Swindoll, Erwin Lutzer, David Jeremiah, Robert Jeffress, Tony Evans, and Andy Stanley. Other megachurches, such as John Hagee's Cornerstone Church in San Antonio, Texas, blended teachings of dispensationalism with the prosperity gospel and New Christian Right activism. Hagee's Christians United for Israel included six Pentecostal megachurch pastors and an executive from the Christian Broadcasting Network, including Jerry Falwell. This group became an example of how megachurch dispensationalism was able to find national influence in US politics and diplomacy.

    Despite success through growing megachurches, the movement revealed limits when leaders of two of the United States' largest megachurches, Bill Hybels and Rick Warren, disassociated from the theology of dispensationalism. The revival of reformed theology in the emergence of New Calvinism began in the 1980s. Led by pastors such as John Piper, Tim Keller, Mark Driscoll, Matt Chandler, and Albert Mohler, this spawned a megachurch movement of its own, whose leaders became outspoken critics of dispensationalism.


    Although dispensationalism had collapsed in academic areas, its cultural influence remained. Dispensationalist ideas have persisted in popular culture. A 2004 Newsweek poll indicated that 55 percent of Americans believe Christians will be taken up in the Rapture. By the turn of the 21st century, the term dispensationalism had become synonymous with "sectarian fundamentalism", and had come to be more of a political identity than a theological doctrine.
     
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    There is some evidence that Netanyahu had plenty of intelligence about the Oct 7 attacks and let them happen. A kind of false flag.
     
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    Remember Iran has already agreed to stop enriching above the 3.67% limit. They've even agreed on us inspectors staying in the country for monitoring. This isn't about iran developing nuclear weapons. Its about doing Israel's bidding to save Bibi job as his approval is in the gutter



    They knew everything
     
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    and the MAGAts will fall for the warmongering once again like the lemmings that they are…they’d all follow Trump off a cliff not knowing that Trump brought a parachute for himself while they all fall and die

    these mindless drones get played for fools every single day
     
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    I guarantee you all these Israelis laugh their ass at how brainwashed the MAGATS are. Bibi approval rating on Israel is near 20% and the entire country hates him but MAGATs love him just cuz Trump likes Israel.
     
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    I mean you literally have @basso and @Commodore that after spending their daily allowance & wellfare on lotto tickets and cigarettes, go home to their trailer and glee at the thought of giving their last couple of cents to finance foreign wars.
     
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    Did you see Seymour Hersh predictions for this weekend? According to him US is bombing Iran this weekend and the decision was made during the week. Supposedly they're going to kill the supreme leader at the same time.

    Interesting weekend.....
     
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    None of these people can explain whats the end game here? @Reeko the current Iranian government is more popular today than its ever been in history. The youth who were pro west are now flipping over.

    They have absolutely no plan. They want regime change but the next regime will even be more crazier.

     
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    All indications show Trump is going bomb Iran tomorrow. The Iraq war atleast you had a propaganda cycle for months before the invasion..
     
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    How far forward has the Doomsday Clock moved?
     

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