Israel conducts preemptive airstrikes hitting Iranian targets

I really hope at some point in our lifetimes that people realize that Fox, MSNBC and other similar media sources are actually destructive to Americans and tune them out.

 

Bu bu but Israel defeated the combined strengths of all the Arab countries and has never lost a war*

 

The misunderstanding is that not everyone who voted for Trump is MAGA/Neocon. Trump pulled in a very large and $$influential$$ moderate class who thrives better under peace than war.

That said, Iran continues to cause disruptions for everyone. The Iran play has multiple threads and most of them lead to a regime change.
China loses. Russia loses. Hamas loses.
West wins. Middle east wins.

Iran is not as diverse as Iraq. Destroying the Islamic Republic regime might be all that is needed. A land invasion will not work.

 

What do you want to see happen?

 

For whatever regime the majority of people want, regardless if they support China or Russia.

That said, if the propaganda is true about the Islamic Republic continuing to threatened other countries with using nukes, then they should not be allowed to produce WMD's regardless of the will of the people.

 

This guy is a pure propaganda mouthpiece of the regime.

It’s asinine to listen to anything Tokyo Rose over here has to say.

 

Most likely scenario is that Bibi was in political hot water at home again and Trump was set for talks with Iran that would take away his boogeyman card. So he struck Iran to play the biggest card he has at home, removed all of his political heat, ruined the chance for peace talks and knew that he could drag Trump in.

From an American perspective, we might be in a situation where despite the bullshit that led to it, we have a compelling opportunity to severely defang Iran now that won't be presented to us again. With the path cleared and the ability to hit a couple of targets with minimal risk to US pilots, it might be too tempting NOT to strike now and negotiate after.

 

Not sure I can agree on this completely...

Unless there are no news sources you believe are trustworthy, what alternative is there? Social media?

Nearly 99% of these random tweets are pure garbage.

 

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It would completely irresponsible for the Israeli government to allow Iran to develop a nuclear weapon.

They should go to the last and furthest extremity to prevent it.

We’re talking about an Iranian Islamic fundamentalist government which has the the stated goal of the destruction of Israel in its governing documents and whose leadership regularly chant “death to Iran” - they are fanatics with a religious zeal to destroy Israel - a conviction so strong we have seen people regularly blow themselves up over the decades in furtherance thereof.

No rational person would allow those people to develop a nuclear weapon.

 

I think both of these are reasonable and likely true.

I am not a fan of the timing, coming off of so much turmoil domestically and abroad between Ukraine, Russia, tariff battles, etc..... but it is very possible that the USA goes in, destroys Iran's nuclear bunkered sites and sets Iran back another decade and there is very little long term cost to the USA - but there is the risk that the level of involvement ends up being more than that. Also - for all the calls to have the Iranian government fall, we also can look at Syria and Iraq as examples of how the cost for regime change is sometimes very high.

I suppose I would just like some return to some degree of stability and normalcy, and that isn't always how geopolitical situations work.

 

I wouldn’t support a regime change goal here personally.

 

NBC, ABC, CBS --- news sources that do not have the business model of pandering to one politically biased group of viewers over another.

 

I don't either.

I have a lot of Iranian friends, and I know that literally all of them want a regime change.... but I think my Iraqi wife is right, having studied the region a lot and the people in the region (as she puts it - for good and bad).... a regime change in that region of the world, for a country of 100 million people - there likely will be some very severe repercussions in the region and for the USA domestically.

We have a lot of issues domestically that need to be addressed - and we somehow need to have more shared values and perspectives than we have.

 

If I had to guess why the quietness, Iran and Israel are negotiating a ceasefire as both Iran and Israel are too vulnerable.

 

No trust me guys it's actually Iran that has caused instability in this region, not us. Ignore our genocide and five-front bombing campaigns. Also don't look up the NUMEC affair, the samson option or the greater israel plan.

 

War has a way of spiraling into unpredictable and unexpected scenarios, no matter how much you think you can control it.

Last time we were pulled in, or were "excited" to take an opportunity to go do something in the ME (got to get rid of the WMD threat by a dangerous regime), we ended up ****ing up everything and making things worse for ourselves. Let's not repeat and think so arrogantly that we understand the risk (nevermind igoring our own intel assessment) and use the current situation as an opportunity to once again derisk something and think we can control the outcome.

IF Israel was attacked, that's a completely different story. That's not the case here. Israel decided to preemptively strike. Let them handle their own mess.

 

I have found News Nation seems to be the most down the middle.

 

Col. Nathan McCormack, the Levant and Egypt branch chief at the Joint Chiefs of Staff’s J5 planning directorate, has referred publicly to “Netanyahu and his Judeo-supremacist cronies,” to Washington having “overwhelmingly” enabled Israel’s “bad behavior” and pro-Israel activists in the United States prioritizing “support for Israel over our actual foreign interests.”

JNS has learned that McCormack, who according to his LinkedIn account has held his current role since June 2024, has also bashed Israel as a “death cult” that is America’s “worst ally” on a semi-anonymous social-media handle, where he has written hundreds of posts since the Oct. 7 terrorist attacks about Jews and Israel.

“The Western states go to great lengths to avoid criticism of Israel, much out of Holocaust guilt,” McCormack wrote on social media in April. “Israel’s actions over decades have prompted the accusations of ethnic cleansing and genocide.”

“Netanyahu and his Judeo-supremacist cronies are determined to prolong the conflict for their own goals: either to remain in power or to annex the land,” he wrote on social media in May.

“I’ve lately been considering whether we might be Israel’s proxy and not realized it yet,” he wrote in April 2024. “Our worst ‘ally.’ We get literally nothing out of the ‘partnership’ other than the enmity of millions of people in the Middle East, Africa and Asia.”

“The U.S. has not been an honest broker,” he wrote in June 2024. “We have overwhelmingly enabled Israel’s bad behavior.”

In one post replying to the idea of Gazans potentially finding refuge outside the Gaza Strip, McCormack wrote that Israel wants “to expel them and cleanse ‘Eretz Israel’ of ethnic Palestinians.”

On Oct. 11, 2023, five days after Hamas’s terror attack, McCormack wrote that “Israel has an absolute right to respond militarily” and “civilians may legally be caught in the crossfire” but that “Israel’s responses always (always—not hyperbole) disproportionately target Palestinian civilians.”

https://www.jns.org/chief-israel-planner-at-pentagon-bashes-jewish-state-publicly-extensively/

 

In America if you're against prioritizing a foreign nation over our own country you may be subject to removal from your post.

 

There is like 9 million people in Israel - and only like 7 million of them are Jews, with a majority of the other 2 million not supportive of the Israeli state.

There are nearly 100 million people in Iran - and the land mass and terrain is far more daunting than anything in Israel.

If Israel is already running out of munitions, then they probably shouldn't attempt to start a war with a nation 10 times its size.