Israel conducts preemptive airstrikes hitting Iranian targets

He's from Fox News so we have orders not to kill him

 

is it a bird is it a plane no it's missiles from Iran, stay tuned



Headless Israel made a big mistake

 

Or just a regular ass whooping

 

Hopefully not, but don't count out a false flag attack on American assets i the Middle East by Israel to try to drag the US in.

Israel can only contend with Iran by dropping its nukes. Their can barely hold their own on the ground with Hezbollah or Hamas. Their civilian reservists for the most part only have experience hassling Palestinians at checkpoints. In Gaza some gained experience fighting HAMAS whose heaviest weapons are RPG's.

 

Dugh. The Israeis miscalculated on Iran collapsing and now are pleading forAmerica to rescue their asses. Again keep an eye for a false flag attack on American resources to try to drag us in.

 

you're making the case for me

 

ahahahah noo nooo, nothing less than a fatwa for Commodore from clutchfans

 

If you only think of military power / invasion you're right of course. But anything longer you need the population to be on your side - and that is so much more easier to do in Afghanistan than Iran - and America couldn't even do it in Afghanistan.

Iran had many conquerers - had even some Turkic royal families that reigned for hundreds of years - they have all been assimilated. They are so much closer to China than Afghanistan or Syria.

About disinformation - you're right of course. I'm just talking to in general terms.

 

If Israel controls the air they can just bomb them. They don't need troops. It's just if Israel has any morals not to kill a lot of people.

 

China arming Iran would be game changing like the US arming Ukraine.

 

The US government does not need to be sending any aid or money to Israel.

If we are going to cut agencies and programs that benefit Americans because of "cost", then there is no real compelling justification to send aid to Israel.

 

History shows they do not.

 

Hey now Trey Yingst actually ain’t so bad despite being a fox guy

 

@ the 99’ers/00’s bunch on here

 

I suspect both are true: Iran has for all purposes no operational anti-air defenses and Israel has full control of the skies over Iran and Israel has basically lost the ability to intercept Iranian missiles with a high degree of accuracy (compared to last year). It would explain why Israel politicians are desperate for the US to step in because they figure Iran is on the ropes but they cannot safely deliver the knockout blow because Iran will trash Tel Aviv and Haifa in the process of the IDF trashing Tehran.

 

I agree with this, and I do not doubt that Israel has been planning and trying to find a way.

I think the most likely outcome is that Israel bombs Iran to a greater extent, harms their economy and sets them back structurally and economically at least a decade, and hopes that it leads to regime change. The reality is that even if there is a regime change in Iran, they will likely not be partners with Israel - but perhaps their relations will not be AS bad.

The USA and PRC both need to stay out it for the most part - outside of perhaps pushing for a de-escalation. There is nothing to win for either nation.

 

I suspect Israel will push for the simpler/easier/cleaner method of destroying Fordrow via having the Americans drop bombs on it but may, in the last resort, and if its even feasible, conduct an airborne assault to destroy Fordrow. That would be extremely difficult, risky and would likely result in many IDF deaths though. It is much preferable, from the Israeli perspective, to have some American aviators drop some bunker busters which are likely to succeed and risk no IDF lives.

Shifting gears, I am somewhat bullish on regime change in Iran.

I think that if/when it does occur it's possible we get a "reasonable" government, even a secular representative government doesn't seem off the cards. I have generally been impressed with the temperament of the Iranian people when I've encountered it. Partners with Israel? Maybe not but before the revolution Israeli-Iranian relations weren't bad. They had daily flights from Tel Aviv to Tehran iirc.

 

You are dreaming if you think any of this will happen, but Im not going to engage in an argument with an intellectually dishonest person again

 

I don't share your optimism - certainly not if the regime change is a result of war. I have optimism for segments of the population of Iran, but it was the same in Iraq and we have seen what happened there. Unfortunately, power vacuums aren't handled well in the Middle East.