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Fred VanVleet Extension

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Whenitsover, Jun 8, 2025 at 9:11 PM.

  1. PeterKingX

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    I remember that Fred was only our phase 1 plan.

    But it seems that Stone want Fred to lead us win championship now. It's so bad.
     
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  2. today

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    Man I hope the Rox haven't agreed to a contract already, I hate overpaying.

     
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  3. Corrosion

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    Some people just belong on ignore .... Life is better that way.
     
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  4. xiki

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    not yet. ‘sides, he excels in the dynamic role of playing anywhere/eveverywhere/at anytime/and in same game.
     
  5. xiki

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    who has 20 mil to offer? Who has 20 mil to offer FVV???
     
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  6. xiki

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    if agreed to, why the extension? Why the extension (to 6/29, that is) unless possibly being trade chip?
     
  7. Hemingway

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    You don’t need your eyes checked. Those that want to pay over the MLE for him need their brains checked. Why bid against yourself?
     
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  8. Corrosion

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    Plan B should be to draft a real point guard - ideally one who's strengths contrast the weakness of other guards on the roster.
    What this team lacks most is a guard who can get in the paint and wreak havoc and run the pick and roll at a high level those things are staples of the modern NBA offense.
     
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    I agree, this makes no sense. Unless they mutually agreed to either a number to stay or a sign &trade at the current team option salary? Can they do that? I can see Fred thinking it’s a win-win for him.

     
  10. Hemingway

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    I’m guessing you’re talking about a future draft? This draft doesn’t have one outside of the top 2.
     
  11. DM'sVP

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    Bc Fred’s first option is to get paid 44m even if it is with a bad team. Fred is betting on himself again. He probably thinks he can make the most by having his option picked up and then signing a new deal next offseason.

    His next preference would be to sign a new contract with the Rockets.

    His least preferable option is to hit FA this offseason.

    The Rockets are trying to do what’s best for both Fred and themselves.
     
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  12. Corrosion

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    Nope, I'm talking about this draft.

    Jakucionis is probably the best passer in this draft & is fantastic as the ball handler in the pick and roll - he also has a lot of ways to finish in the paint and is a very good shooter despite the numbers .... has better advanced defensive metrics than the higher rated prospects.


    Demin, another great passer and like Jakucionis is fantastic as the pick and roll ball handler. Has size & finishes at / around the rim with an assortment of shots. Better shooter than advertised.


    Clayton jr. - Dude lives in the paint and has that Kyle Lowry bulldog in him. Good passer, good shooter, understands pace, finishes thru contact, gets to the line a lot .... Has a lot of tools right out of the box being an upperclassman. Immediately the best FT shooter on the team. Played big in big games / moments .... remember Cougar fans ???
    Spectacular .580 / .434 / .913 shooting splits for the NCAA tournament. Won Most Outstanding Player of the 2025 NCAA.
     
  13. Hemingway

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    How noble of them. They should take a lesson from the Astros. When guys age and become too expensive just let them walk. Very few players are loyal to a team or a city when money is at stake. It’s a business and the decisions should be what is best for the business, not emotional crap. FVV is one of the worst PG’s in the league, that got paid astronomically for 2 years. That is all that is owed to him. He played his contract at 44m and was paid. It should have absolutely no bearing on what he gets paid going forward.
     
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    Will Klutch sports allow FVV take a pay cut? I don’t think so
     
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    I don't think they have much choice.

    Does anyone think Brooklyn is offering him a contract?

    What about Detroit - they only have $24m .... and I highly doubt they give any of that to Fred.

    After that, it's MLE money and only about 4-5 teams will actually use the NT-MLE this year ($14.1m) hard capping them at the 1A.

    From there it's a steep drop to the room exception worth $8.7m. This is for cap space teams only and Brooklyn is likely the only cap space team in the league this year.

    Then the taxpayer MLE worth $5.6m and quite a few teams being able to use it.

    That's the leverage that Stone has in this negotiation .... he better not screw it up.
     
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    They have no choice. He is getting a pay cut, unless the Rockets pick up his team option and the ONLY reason to do that would be to trade him now or at the deadline.
     
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    As I said, Udoka is over reliant on FVV and has no clue how to structure the Offense around the young guns and also scared that his regular season record is taking a dive......

     
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    Oh I agree with this. I think they are going to madly overpay FVV at Ime’s insistence and then Ime is going to madly overplay FVV who would be a great backup at 20m/year or so. It is the most infuriating thing I’ve encountered with Rockets management in 40 years of fandom.
     
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    That is the most disheartening thing I’ve read on here in a while.
     
  20. Joe Joe

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    ...and the Rockets only have early Bird rights to one starting PG. FVV. That's the leverage that FVV has in this negotiation.....his agent probably will not screw it up.

    For the most part, I expect the Rockets and FVV to come to a decision on a contract that is representative of what guards of his ability get without either going for the nuclear leverage option. Like it or not, I expect Stone to be open to adding a star, and he's not going to lose a starting PG of FVV's caliber by playing hardball just in case he actually gets one. I expect this will piss a lot of people off on this board as there is a vocal part of this community that likely undervalues FVV over what the Rockets and other teams would.
     

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