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Republicans raise the debt ceiling by 4 trillion while kicking millions off insurance

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by astros123, May 12, 2025.

  1. deb4rockets

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    That's not as easy as it sounds for women. The trade industry is still a man's world, and women face a lot of discrimination, harassment, and less pay than men in the trade industry, regardless of their capabilities or aptitude for doing the jobs.

    Women make up just 3.4% of skilled trades. From Heavy Equipment Operators (2.5%) to carpenters (2.7%) and pipefitters (4.3% – the most female represented trade of all), we are far from having 5% of women in the trades.

    The only occupation that breaches 5% is general laborers (6.1%), however they’re not classified as a skilled trade (e.g. have specialized training, certification, licensing, OTJ training or formal apprenticeship). Women are highly overrepresented in this entry level role with a ratio of 1.8X the number of female general laborers as female skilled trades (6.1% : 3.4%). The same ratio is 0.94X for men.

    Despite having 4.5 years less experience than their male counterparts, women score 27% higher on skilled trade assessments (averaging a score of 72% vs. 57%).

    Many people in the trades believe that women are the ‘weaker sex’ and less fit for jobs that require more physical labor.

    Pay disparity
    Although pay disparity exists across all sectors, looking at welders for example, one of the highest earning trades, women make 84 per cent of what men earn in their first year of work.

    Sexual harassment
    Places like building construction sites in particular can be hazardous for women, with sexual harassment often being ignored or swept under the rug.

    Pregnancy discrimination
    Despite proactive efforts by the military, many trades will look unfavorably upon a woman who takes (or could take) time off to have a child as well as the additional workload that will be burdened by the organization during her absence – which could become permanent.

    Inappropriate and ill-fitting PPE (personal protective equipment)
    Not surprisingly, personal protective equipment has traditionally been designed with men in mind and that’s starting to evolve. The tide is changing, as observed by Alyssa Sangirardi, Product Manager at Global Industrial, "over the last few years, we’ve seen a transformation in PPE manufacturing to meet the changing needs of women in the trades. Improvements such as vests with contoured waists, harnesses with adjustable waists, and glasses with smaller frame sizes all speak to the awareness that PPE needs to continue to evolve to keep women comfortable, productive, and most importantly safe while on the job." However, these changes take time to implement, and it could be a while before PPE for women and maternity is in plentiful supply across every industry.

    Physical limitations/discrimination (especially in construction)
    The perception that women may not be able to handle physical labor on par with their male counterparts is slowly changing but will take time.

    Under-representation
    The fact that 96% of your colleagues are men is a pause for concern for many women, most often because of the sexual harassment, stereotyping, and other discrimination that comes from outdated attitudes and views that have no place in modern society.

    Sexual discrimination
    This is rife in “traditional” jobs for men, which includes welding, plumbing, construction, and automotive. The short story – men have always done these jobs; therefore, women cannot and/or should not do them. It’s a fallacy and continues to plague many trades.

    https://www.globalindustrial.com/knowledge-center/article/women-in-trades-2023

    https://skillit.com/blog/theres-fewer-tradeswomen-than-we-thought
     
  2. Mr.Scarface

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    LOL. Private loans for college are predatory. I guess you didn’t pay attention to the downfall of for profit universities (i.e. the university of phoenix)? If you want to move tech manufacturing back to the US, you need skilled workers to do those required jobs. The US is lacking the trained workers.
     
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    Loans are loans people who takeout loans are obligated to payback those loans. This isn't hard and nobody twisted their arm making them takeout these loans. I have to payback loans I takeout. They should have to payback their loans too.

    Yes we need a skilled workforce. College isn't a requirement to have a skilled workforce.
     
  4. Mr.Scarface

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    It is for 80+ percent of tech jobs. Even if use use trade schools, that also costs money. Don’t be dense.
     
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    And if people want these types of jobs they can either work their way through school like many people have done, or takeout a loan, learn a trade and payback the loan. The loan should be a whole lot less than taking out loans for 4-5 years of college. Nothing dense about this.
     
  6. deb4rockets

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    I agree people should pay back loans, but also believe the cost of education is absurd. It's a system that rich kids don't worry about, even going to the best schools available. It's getting harder and harder for kids these days to afford college education without being in debt for decades.

    My idea is for the government to subsidize the costs for kids in families making under $100,000 a year, if the student pursues degrees or certification in AI, technology, robotics, engineering, or other high skilled professions needed in the future. I'm not talking about subsidizing food, housing, clothing, or miscellaneous living expenses. I simply think the government could reimburse tuition each semester for all required classes the kids make a C or better on, including books, lab fees, university fees, etc.. That alone could make a huge difference in giving the less fortunate an opportunity to succeed. It's a win win situation for our country too. We will grow a highly skilled American workforce for the future of technology. It will also keep more companies from outsourcing abroad to fill those positions.

    There will always be trade jobs and some apprenticeships, but that doesn't necessarily mean that most jobs won't require some college or a degree, or that a lot of the jobs that don't require education after high school will be more suited for or prone to hire men.

    Also, many of the top jobs that will be replaced by AI and automation are jobs that women often work in.

    According to a new report from the World Economic Forum (WEF), bank tellers, cashiers and administrative assistants are among the jobs expected to decline by 2030.

    Meanwhile, technology roles like big data specialists, software developers and security management specialists are forecasted to be some of the fastest-growing jobs worldwide.

    The 15 fastest declining jobs (in percentage terms) by 2030, according to the World Economic Forum’s Future of Jobs Report:

    Postal service clerks
    Bank tellers and related clerks
    Data entry clerks
    Cashiers and ticket clerks
    Administrative assistants and executive secretaries
    Printing and related trade workers
    Accounting, bookkeeping and payroll clerks
    Material-recording and stock-keeping clerks
    Transportation attendants and conductors
    Door-to-door sales workers, news and street vendors, and related workers
    Graphic designers
    Claims adjusters, examiners and investigators
    Legal officials
    Legal secretaries
    Telemarketers

    The 15 fastest growing jobs (in percentage terms) by 2030, according to the World Economic Forum’s Future of Jobs Report:

    Big data specialists
    FinTech engineers
    AI and machine learning specialists
    Software and applications developers
    Security management specialists
    Data warehousing specialists
    Autonomous and electric vehicle specialists
    UI and UX designers
    Light truck or delivery service drivers
    Internet of things specialists
    Data analysts and scientists
    Environmental engineers
    Information security analysts
    DevOps engineers
    Renewable energy engineers

    https://cew.georgetown.edu/wp-content/uploads/Projections2031-ES.pdf

    https://www.newsnationnow.com/business/fastest-growing-declining-jobs/
     
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    I like your ideas, although the reason a college education costs so much more than it used too is because the Federal govt got involved in education and now you want the people who had a big hand in creating this crisis to become more involved in college education? I'm not so sure that's a good idea.
     
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    LOL. I am sorry. You should not be forced into a trade if your dream is to be an engineer. You should be able to take out loans that are at a reasonable rate that can be paid back. Right now, they are not. You have a doctor and nurse shortage. You have those people who have to take out loans that they cannot pay back because of the way the interest works. You can pay 20 years on loans that only go down 10% on the principal balance. Instead of helping to bring down the cost for education, the Republicans are increasing the cost.
     
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    There's a lot more to it than that. This is a great breakdown of the costs.

    The Hidden Costs of College: Why Tuition Keeps Rising

    Between 1985 and 2019, the average cost of college tuition increased by 404% at public 4-year institutions and 313% at private non-profit 4-year institutions, adjusting for inflation. This rate of increase is more than double the overall rate of inflation during this time period.

    Also, state funding for public colleges and universities has declined dramatically over the past few decades. In the 1980s, states provided nearly 80% of funding for higher education institutions, but that number has dropped to below 50% today.

    Those are just a couple points, but there are many examples of the reasons for the rise, and many of them fall on the schools themselves. Right now, it's the rich kids and the ones raised on golden spoons who care the least, because they will still go to any school they can get accepted into, and the richest schools are the ones who get the most in gifts.


    https://meetpaidly.com/blog/understanding-rising-college-costs
     
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    @deb4rockets dont let the MAGATs gaslight you into believing they care about education. They want the population to remain stupid so they can spew their disinformation easily
     
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    Not everybody gets to have their dream job. Do you currently work at your dream job? I certainly dont.

    If a person wants to become a doctor they know the cost of the loans they will have to takeout to become a doctor. At that point they have a decision to make. Either live out their dream and become a doctor and payoff their loans. (Doctors make enough to easily be able to payoff their loans within 5-6 years.) Or decide on another profession. Seems to me like you dont want them to payoff their loans, or want the cost of higher education to go down and I somewhat agree with you, but the cost of education going down devalues the degree they've earned IMHO.
     
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    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    The same answer as the last time you asked. Trump is free to say whatever he wants, and government has no business getting involved on a policy level. A tariff that applies to a single corporation would clearly be unconstitutional.
     
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    "Would clearly by unconstitutional" lol Trump is the most anti libertarian POTUS we've had in modern history who's an authoritarian who doesn't believe in capitalism. He's threatening private corporations with massive fines if they dont do exactly as he wishes which is lose money.

    I just find it hilarious how some of the dumbest people @raining threes @El_Conquistador use the word "socialism" around to describe liberals but their orange messiah is more of a socialist than anyone else.
     
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    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    He is clearly not a socialist. He is an autocrat pushing oligarchy. A socialist would be (at least theoretically, not in practice because socialism is a race to the bottom) providing for the needs of the people. No libertarian would vote for Trump.
     
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    What's your evidence for saying this?
     
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    The problem here is that you think in black and white. There is no nuance in the way that you think EITHER PAY OFF THE LOANS OR DONT DO IT thats it, you cant change anything, just accept that things are crappy.
     
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    The biggest problem is the bill undermines the courts power to check the executive branch which is UNCONSTITUTIONAL BTW.

    DD
     
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    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    There is nothing crappy about paying back money that you borrow. That's what loans are: someone gives you money now, and you pay it back, typically with interest. The fact that there is even a question about whether or not loans should be repaid is a failure in the moral education of our society.
     
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    That's not what Im talking about, predatory interest rates and loans that are fundamentally too high to begin with ARE MORALLY BANKRUPT.

    Im sorry dude, I dont want to live in a society where nobody gives a **** about each other, sorry your way doesnt work.
     
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    Student loans have extra strings attached that normal loans don't especially when it comes to getting it discharged during a bankruptcy.
     
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