I'm guessing it will be in the $20-30M AAV range. The amount between those numbers likely doesn't matter too much for the Rockets roster's first two years. Regarding trades, it needs to be big enough that not much else is needed to match max contracts but small enough that it isn't a huge negative value in a trade. My guess is that the deal will be two years with a non-guaranteed third year. The contract will be decreasing such that the third year is probably close to the MLE. So, if the Rockets don't have a PG besides FVV, one should be of the view to keep FVV and add another PG. I'm skeptical can get one better PG than FVV without offering a lot of assets. The Rockets tried guys with FG% better than 38% at PG. It didn't work. The Rockets tried taller players at PG, it didn't work. Also, FVV guarded Draymond a lot last series until GSW changed their lineup to get FVV off Draymond. Besides for Kuminga in a early regular season game, FVV being undersized didn't matter*. Actual PG skills matter. FVV will look a lot better as a PG if the Rockets have an offensive star as the star will handle the things FVV is bad at. *I'm sure there are probably a few other times this came into play, but the vast majority of play who Sengun could guard determined if FVV could guard up the lineup more than FVV being undersized.
This makes sense. There will be more clarity by the end of June and whether we have # 9 pick or top 4 pick greatly changes the trajectory of the offseason. As the playoffs wind down Stone will have a better assessment of which players might be available via trade as well. I’m fine resigning FVV to a much lower rate. He’s good as a steady vet PG, he needs to split minutes with Reed however. The upgrade needs to be at SG for this team to take the next step.
Just to be clear, I'm fine if the Rockets upgrade FVV. I wanted Fox. I still want Booker if Phoenix is reasonable. I'm not fine stepping down to Tyus Jones who shoots better, but can't switch on defense. I'd be fine with Jones on a 1 or 2 year as a backup to give Reed more time. I get that Jones is a better defender than Booker, but Booker can run an offense better and carry an offensive load. I don't know if there are any other realistic options out there for MLE or less than Jones. I don't think upgrading FVV is as easy as FVV haters make it out to be. Ulimately, I think Amen pushes him more to a subordinate role for which I think FVV will excel at over the next two years.
25 million a year? that's like $2 in 2011. Pretty good deal.... *if udoka and Fvv toned it down a bit with his minutes to allow the kids to grow up
$25M a year would allow them to re-sign Adams for $12M a year and either pick up Holiday’s option, or use the MLE to pick up one or multiple players equalling $10M and still be under the LT.
I'd be fine with this as well and sounds fair for both parties. I'd look at team option and length as well. We'll see what happens
25 million a year with some team option seems pretty reasonable even for a Fred hater like myself. my issue is that we're likely going to see another year of Fred playing 40 minutes a game and Reed bringing him water on the bench.
The thing is we have enough assets to replace both FVV and Green with better options. Why settle for maybe the 15th best PG in the league? Here are most of the starting PG’s in the NBA: Curry Harden Lilliard (hurt) Haliburton Ball Trae Ja Morant Cade Brunson Derrick White Maxey Coby White Mitchell/Garland Davion Mitchell Suggs/Black Luka Booker Irving (hurt) Alvarado Fox Murray Conley SGA Scoot Collier Name which ones you would not prefer to FVV. I could do the same thing with SG’s and get near the same result. FVV is abysmal in the lane and 3 pt shooting is irratic at best. He’s ok at defense, but cannot guard quick or tall guards, but like Harden does a pretty good job with post up defense. Anybody saying FVV is a good enough quality PG for us to be contenders is nuts.
Not sure if this is legit or not. I think the 1st 2 years really don't matter from a roster standpoint as long as he's not getting Jalen Green money. The 4th year would get tricky and would likely need to be an option/nonguaranteed. Even the 3rd year would need to be a small enough percentage of the cap to allow Amen extension not to cause financial decisions elsewhere.
I have no idea who this random twitter account is, but the fact that they actually made a CBA-compliant extension offer clears the extremely low bar of typical fake Twitter insiders. The rest of the feed however, seems like throwing random crap against a wall, with pretty much zero hits. It's a useful discussion point though, for a potential FVV extension. Assuming the last year is a team option, because I think they would be crazy guaranteeing that kind of money to a 34-year old FVV, the extension would look like this: Year Annual Salary Percentage of Cap 2025 $28,000,000.00 18.1 2026 $25,760,000.00 15.14 2027 $23,520,000.00 12.57 2028 $21,280,000.00 10.34 Total $98,560,000.00 This is basically the same deal that we just gave Dillon Brooks in 2024, starting higher and falling off faster. I think it's good value in a vacuum, but if you're going to do it, you have to be consolidating some of the extension eligible talent and rookie contracts into a Devin Booker or Giannis. It also necessitates Green being the primary salary matching piece going out the door. I'm still on the side that you should not be paying FVV for his two great past years; you chose him over Harden and overpaid him per year so you would have the opportunity to get off the deal before he declined substantially. I see no reason to deviate from that plan now. It will be painful, and hurt the Rockets more than FVV will give to a new team, much like KCP leaving Denver for Orlando. But you have to trust in the talent behind him (Reed Sheppard/Christian Braun), and that others can pick up the slack if you want the team to take the next step forward.
I would like to overhaul the entire backcourt, but if I only get to upgrade one, I’d prefer it be Jalen. Getting FVV at $25M lets us keep some of our depth. I truly believe we would have been a contender this year with a more efficient player in place of JG, even with FVV.
This would be a straight gift to FVV in this market. Dillon got what he got because it was an open market transaction - lots of teams had space that summer or the MLE, we were coming off a 20 win season, then the Lopez deal got squashed so Stone had to scramble and give Dillon more to make sure he signed. That's just what Dillon cost in that market. The open market version of an FVV contract this summer is something like the 2-3yrs at the MLE, ~$14M. There's simply no other money out there. HOU guaranteeing him $77M would just be a giveaway, especially the third third guaranteed year in Amen's first extension year. IMO the best comp is the extension Mike Conley signed a 1.5 years ago as the caretaker-ish 30 mpg starting PG / team leader for a good Timberwolves team. He got 2 yrs at $11M AAV. FVV is a little younger, so I see something a little over the MLE for him to show him we like him. $20M AAV max, and no fully guaranteed 3rd year.
The assets the Rockets have need to go for a star or near star. If that happens to be a PG or someone that essentially be the PG, I'm fine. I wanted Booker at a good deal. I wanted Fox at a good deal. I'm not fine with the let's cut FVV and go with an MLE PG route or force-feed an internal option. On who I prefer doesn't matter. I'd prefer a lot of those names. Collier, Scoot (short term only on not wanting), Conley, Murray, Irving (injured), Mitchell, White, Ball (edit: Lonzo...LaMelo I would think), and Harden are the names I'd probably pass for next year to keep FVV without thinking too much. The Rockets don't have early Bird Rights to any of the others such that it would be what it costs for me to want or not want a PG. Even if the Rockets get a star PG, I'd try to bring FVV back as a backup. Of your list, which would you prefer over FVV as the starter that can be acquired with minimal assets (No FRPs, None of the young guys)?
None can be attained with minimal assets. We are set as contenders at every position other than SG. Amen is our future PG and should have been the second half of this season. I’m ok using the MLE on a reasonable backup that can shoot. I would be ok with FVV if I trusted Ime, but I don’t. FVV would be an excellent backup pg at 20m or less, but not with a coach that is going to insist on playing him monster minutes and allow him to continue to slow the offense down on a team that was built for showtime. FVV is slowing the development of our best player and is easily the most replaceable of our starting lineup. If we wanted to replace Jalen with a PG, I’d be ok with that, because the initiator of the offense should be flexible. It’s not flexible with FVV, because he can’t create off the dribble is not a great shooter or passer and will increasingly get hunted on defense. My whole premise in starting this conversation was that we have enough assets to replace both FVV and Jalen with better options. Jalen is more difficult, because of potential and even though I’m certain we could upgrade him for next season, the replacement may not be better in 2 years or 3.
I would assume it's actually Fred's camp that really is motivated to have more time to explore his value if he was to hit the free agent market not just this summer but next as well. Reason is the Rockets would view it likely as essentially picking up his option this year, and then him being an MLE value contract next year. So 44M + 14M a year for 4 years. So basically he's likely to project 100M more dollars to be made over his career. So the Rockets can offer him now essentially a guarantee on that MLE now, and space it out over 4 or 5 years. So Fred, and his agent just need to feel good that they did their due diligence to know that it's very unlikely or fair market for him to expect no more than 100M over the next 5 years... which is probably the last 5 years of his career. IF the Rockets try to get a hometown discount, and offer him less than 44M plus the expected MLE beyond that, I would assume that means he'll tell them its a good idea to pick up his option and trade him, or decline and let him sign elsewhere. It's just about math IMO. You can't really know the dollars and cents until Freds agent does the work to know what the market truly is for him if he was to hit free agency this summer or next.
