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Jalen Green will be the Rockets' Numero Uno

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by kpdark, Jan 2, 2024.

  1. daywalker02

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    Draymond is secretly on Clutchfans confirmed!

    A Green family affair.
     
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  2. ickaruto

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    Hey man you seem to frequent this thread a lot less often.... maybe since realizing you cant attack or insult everyone who wants Green gone because it'd be you against majority of the board, whereas a few months ago it was you vs those who actually follow basketball during the regular season as well.
     
  3. Houston77

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    lol. I’ve posted a ton in this thread, weirdo.
     
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  4. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    This is the biggest game of Jalen Green's life coming up. No other game comes anywhere close to how important it is both for his career and the Rockets.

    Great shot selection, low turnovers and excellent defense as an absolute minimum.
     
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  5. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    So what do you want exactly that when Green plays bad we talk about everything we like about him? Or when he plays bad we just say he played bad?
     
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    If paint is open and we using Alpi as a passer not a scorer, we have a great chance of running through GS again like Game 5 … we can’t get stuck in the grind out, halfcourt game
     
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    I don't know how any of this helps a guy who can't even beat Steph curry off the dribble in isolation, forget the help even when singled covered he generates terrible offense for the team. He could have the best shooters in the world around him it doesn't matter cuz who can he best off the dribble to create these mismatches?

    his only effective way of scoring is off a screen and getting down hill quickly. Usually those screens are set by non shooters...
     
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  8. ApacheWarrior

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    You can't see the forest from the trees in front of you.

    Green can get by any player you put in front of him.....it's the defenders at the 2nd tier and
    3rd tier level ready to pick his pocket as he drives against "so-called" terrible defender
    Curry.

    Easy to see you never played point guard.....if you did, you would get trapped every
    time as you crossed mid court. You are only looking at one player, while forgetting
    about the others that are not really guarding their man.

    Point guards often get trapped against the midline or baseline as the defense uses
    it as an extra defender.

    Best teams have multiple plus average 3-point shooters.
    Cavs this year, while the Thunder was the best 3-point shooting
    team last year (#1 seed in the West).

    Olajuwon used the shooting of Maxwell. Jet, Ellie, Horry get get space that Thrope
    Would not create.

    Knicks used Starks, Derrick Harper, others to create space for Ewing to operate.

    Jordan used BJ Armstrong, Kerr, Paxson, Kukoc, Ron Harper, Pippin to give him
    space in the paint to work the Triangle Offense.

    Kobe used Byron Scott, Lamar Odom. Horry. Eddie Jones, Rock Fox, Dereck Fisher
    to supply Kobe space in the paint to work the Triangle Offense.

    Even back in the day when 3's weren't major, they knew that it created spacing, which
    in turn allowed for greater efficiency. Especially in the days of 3's are everything.
    Zone defenses prey on teams that are poor at 3-point shooting.
     
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    You and me must watch different games. He literally struggled to get by anyone in isolation then had to settle for a terrible step back or gets walled off picks up his dribble and throws bad pass. Most of his drives where he runs into second third defender all come from screens. When he gets downhill off screens and commits he's much more effective but to ask him to create is god awful. Which is also why he's more effective in transition. Except the one game he might actually be hitting his threes. Everything your saying by about spacing applies to Sengun also he's probably average a 25 point triple double if our team could shoot straight,,

    Trust me I know the importance of the three ball problem is your SG is suppose to be your shooter. He was out there early on with Jabari Dillon and Fred those aren't bad shooters. He's had plenty of space and never takes advantage.
     
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    Yes indeed.

    Warriors are #1 defense since acquiring Butler.

    Gary Payton, Moody, Kuminga also take turns guarding Green
     
  11. RHU525

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    They don't even care cuz he can't beat any of them consistently. To create a good shot for himself. A lot has to do with strength he just doesn't have the strength to muscle people and struggles mightitly especially in playoffs.
     
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    still trying to convince everyone Jalen Green is a franchise player? Maybe trying to convince yourself?

    Sad!
     
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    I hope so but I doubt it will happen (spacing). What happened in game 5 was PACE not allowing the defense to get set in the perfect position to eat up our space. They were still scrambling to find structure when Amen was attacking them (and even Jalen before his knee got injured). Pace can alleviate poor spacing to a certain extent. We are the younger, faster, more athletic team. I think we can count on playing at a higher pace but I hope they START the game careful and gradually increase the pace as they get comfy.

    Udoka has mentioned spacing and pace frequently in recent interviews. I do think the understands now that we should not be playing along at their pace.

    On a side note, Sengun is shooting 40% on very small volume of 3's (2 of 5 in the series) and there's no reason why he can't be up high like Draymond and take some early 3's to keep his defender uncomfortable. I believe in him to make those if they give him a ridiculous amount of time before closing out.
     
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    You are confusing one game in which the Rockets
    shot about 43% from 3 (Game 5).....as every game.

    What was our 3P% the other games and how
    many attempts per game did the team have?
    When we shot 44% from 3 lanes are open, when we shoot around 33% from 3 you can slide a dollar bill through it.

    You will be one of the hypocrites, that once Jalen is gone, then you say, "ok, now let's get 3-point shooters so Sengun has room to operate."

    Sengun has shoot less than the average for centers (FG%) for the same reason Jalen has shot less for SG. Clogged paint for majority of the season.
     
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    I literally said that in my previous post that you can say Sengun could benefit from shooting. I just don't think Jalen can, I've watched every Rockets game for last 4 seasons. He has not show me he can consistently beat any defender in isolation. The difference between sengun and Jalen right now is already night and day. One guy is still helpful/productive. The other guy is just wildly inconsistent. Three point shooting from the team won't help his inconsistency.

    Amen Thompson can't shoot at all and no one guards him from three yet he still has a better chance of scoring in isolation when driving than Jalen. And he's out there with same non shooters
     
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    Jalen can erase all his bad performances by one good night tonight. Don’t settle, just go inside. Foul or not.
     
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    ... along with Moses Moody and Buddy Hield, who have given Green fits. Their one-on-one iso defense has pushed Jalen to the sideline and the half-court line. He could not get by them with his slow-motion, high-dribbling act. And things get worse if someone sets a pick for Jalen, as it brings that dreaded second defender into the play. The Warriors don't really switch or blitz; they sort of lurk, expecting a turnover.

    Green needs to change speed and direction, and blow past guys too close to him. The other option is to pull a Steph (or SGA) and rapidly decelerate, letting the overzealous defender bowl you over for the foul. Make your decisive move, and if the Warrior's defense reacts, calmly pass to the open guy (or stop under control and take the easy shot before the entire D envelops him).
     
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    I dont care if he score 5 or 35 as long as we WIN and he was a positive contributor.

    I prefer 35 because we seem unstoppable when he scores over 30.
     
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    agree contribute solid support to Alpi and Amen at the minimum
     
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    ...he can beat Curry off the ball - you are speaking to narrative and NOT facts. In the video passing through social media showing Curry staying in front of Jalen on defense - uneducated basketball fans(and maybe you are included there) seem to not notice a Golden State big(generally Draymond) shadowing Jalen in the paint every time. Its why Jalen doesn't blow by Curry because he would just be running into the next defender 6ft behind Curry - you don't blow by Curry to get a bad mid range attempt with Curry and Draymond closing out - that's not a good shot. Jalen is aware of the secondary defender shadowing and that is what forces him to rotate the ball away to another shot creator.

    There are a lot of very fair criticisms of Jalen to harp on but him choosing not to get himself stuck between Curry and a DPOY candidate(something GS wants) is not one of them. This is confirmation bias at it's best - you see a video with some caption "Steph Curry CLAMPS Jalen Green" and you already want to hate on Jalen so you watch the video, it shows Curry appearing to play great defense and you accept it as fact and don't even bother paying attention to the other players in the video and the real context of the situation.
     
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