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Trump wants to annex Canada

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by HP3, Feb 3, 2025.

  1. geeimsobored

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    At some point she'll channel her successor (AMLO) and turn the tables on Trump. All of his goals around illegal immigration are entirely dependent on Mexico's willingness to cooperate on border enforcement. If Mexico stops accepting deportations of non-mexicans and reduces border enforcement, the border will become completely unmanageable. Also Mexico's other big card is that they are a major agriculture exporter. Food inflation is by far the most politically damaging form of inflation (as evidenced by the egg price spike). Canada and Mexico are by far the largest two sources of agriculture imports and if the tariffs hit food (as well as oil in the case of Canada), you'll see price spikes in areas that impact Americans most directly.

    Mexico has moves to make just like Canada does. And those moves will become more likely if her concessions to Trump don't result in reciprocal concessions on tariffs. The USMCA exemptions thus far have been his way of imposing tariffs without actually imposing them but we'll see how long that continues. My guess is that "exemption" gets extended again as the administration has likely calculated that Canadian and Mexican tariffs are simply too dangerous politically.
     
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    7D chess is that it's not contained at the border.

    I, for one, wrongly thought Trump was not into expanding into other countries, taking them over, and exporting the new updated US ideals everywhere. I thought it would mostly be a withdrawal inward, forget everyone else and just deal with inside our borders. But no, the VP goes to Europe and says they must adopt free speech for MY conservatives, while they are busy suppressing everyone else's speech, or else you are not friends.

    So anyway, with his meddling in other houses, I think there's a hard look at WTF the crazy new conservatives are doing, and people are rejecting it. He might single-handedly kill conservatism in all *real* democratic nations over the next decade. 9D chess.
     
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    He wont kill conservatism per se. He's reorienting right wing parties in other countries away from the US. Until now, center right parties in other countries generally aligned their politics with the US right wing as there was a lot of natural overlap. What I think will now happen is center right parties will re-orient away from overt association with the American right wing and you'll start to see them publicly take positions in opposition to the current US administration.

    We had a local test case here in Canada. Iin the Ontario provincial election, the Conservatives made a very early and clear condemnation of Trump (and strong support for Canadian retaliation). Unlike the Federal Conservatives, there was no question that the Ontario Conservatives were 100% anti-Trump. And as a result, it took the question of their association with the American right wing off the table entirely. Now part of that is that Ontario Conservatives are much more centrist than the Federal party but it was also smart politics on the part of the provincial party.

    Now that Conservatives have lost in Canada and Conservatives are on track to lose in Australia this weekend, you'll start to see the center right re-evaluate how they are perceived. Having any association with the American right wing is poison at this point. Before the tariffs it was feasible to play a balancing act and get away with it but I dont think that's an option now.
     
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    lol grow up. You sound like a child. Better job? Lmao. It’s like high school when kids say I bet I can lift more than you. In regards to job I don’t care. I am my own boss. I own my own business. Who cares who has a “better job”. I like being my own master. Third world war country just because my parents immigrated from Serbia . Who cares. I bet you are not even an American most likely a Russian bet.
     
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  6. GOATuve

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    Yawn
     
  7. AleksandarN

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    Russian bot. I bet you’re not even American.

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  8. AleksandarN

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    Isn’t Carney a centrist banker. Hardly think he is a left winger. Why is he liberal?
     
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    Because Canada has a separate social democratic progressive party (the NDP), politicians can sort themselves into a center left party and a more social democratic left party. Carney has identified as part of the Liberals for as long as he's been in public life.

    Trudeau's governments did tend to veer closer to the NDP in terms of political orientation but previous liberal governments (like the Chretien liberal government) were much more centrist. I'd expect Carney's government to behave more like Chretien government from the 90s/early 2000s.
     
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    You'd bet wrong g like tour mom should have on birth control
     
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    What the hell is a Tour Mom? Did his mom follow the Stones around in the 70’s and sleep with Keith Richards or something? His mom sounds awesome.
     
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    Can’t even make sense. Must be a Russian
     
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    Your google Russian to English translate failed you this time
     
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    Obviously showing a straight G his due respect...
     
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    I only know Canadian politics inasmuch as the headlines and some follow-ups. Has Carney addressed the need to fix problems of middle and lower classes being pushed out by foreign money and their proximity to US? Aren't yall suffering from a housing downturn?

    How are his policies different than Trudeau's response, which gave me the same vibes as California's where they threw money at a problem such as "limited" affordable housing but it was frittered away into competing and non-complimentary interest groups with little to no direct accountability.

    If you're getting increased foreign direct investments as a result of Trump, the bottom 90% are gonna get pinched with further CoL increases esp if America exports inflation abroad if something breaks.

    In a diff thread, I derisively called him a central banker who worked at Goldman because they're the type who will use better overall numbers to steamroll the concerns of the majority, but Canada's more socialist and Canadians are less tolerant of poor dying on the streets, so I might be mistaken.
     
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    He's a normal. Normal is good.
     
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    he is a trained economist, worked for Morgan Stanley before becoming Canada's central banker, Canada's Fed Chair
     
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    The foreign money issue was directly tied to immigration levels (since there is a foreign homebuyer ban here). The Trudeau government already implemented changes that restrict temporary foreign workers and permanent residency allocations. It's already quite a bit harder to immigrate to Canada than it was a few years ago.

    I agree in being skeptical of some of the homebuilding promises but Canada does actually have a history of social housing. His plan is basically a replica of the post WWII government housing policy in Canada. There is talk of upzoning and cutting development charges but a lot of that is tied to the provinces so I'm also unclear how he'll actually achieve that.

    Depends on how the investment comes in. Business investment is something that is actually desperately needed because Canada is capital starved and needs it. A lot of the housing issues stem from a simple supply/demand mismatch. Canada has the unfortunate reality of immigrants largely moving to a small handful of metro areas. The biggest threat to cost of living is still US tariffs and and trade policy. The economy is so dependent on the US that tariffs well put us into an instant recession with entire regions being crushed by unemployment (mainly areas with manufacturing in Ontario and Quebec). And responding to those tariffs and the upcoming USMCA negotiations will arguably be the 100% biggest determinants of the government's survival.

    The cynicism is fair but I don't think that sort of manipulation will work long term if he goes down that path. The pain from Trump's tariffs will hit really hard and really fast so the government's survival will really come down to actually doing things. The Liberals didn't get a majority so a clock starts on their popularity and if they don't achieve material changes, the other parties will eventually be ready for a no confidence vote (or a budget vote failure) to collapse the government
     
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    Ok
     

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