I think sengun, Sheppard, Green and all of Phoenix’s picks should get it done. I think cam is better than Jalen, so I don’t care if he’s traded.
It really is. Dating back from them being rated as prospects, their natural talent and agility etc. Hell Jaylen Brown had seasons where he averaged more turnovers than assists. Tatum's natural talent isn't above Amen or Green specifically. Tatum is the quintessential "Jack of all trades" star where he doesn't have a standout elite trait. Even Jalen Green has standout elite traits(agility, speed, vertical leaping) Tatum and Brown have consistency and experience on their side. It definitely isn't absurd to say Jalen Green is more naturally gifted than someone like Tatum but Tatum has more natural feel and consistency. He has advantages is areas like strength which is a trait you can add as you get older. You can't add elite lateral agility that Green has to your game. Do not confuse this as me saying that Green is anywhere near the ballpark of Tatum as a player right now. That consistency, strength and experience goes a long way in making a player better. The Celtics are the mold that the Rockets should strive for. No Luka, Jokic or even Ant level talent but still consistent contenders due to a well balanced roster led by consistent stars.
Yeah, you are insane. Tatum's age 22 season he dropped 26.4 and shot 38.6% on a high volume of 3 PT attempts. The next season, under Udoka, he averaged 27 points and was by far more efficient than Jalen under the same "terrible offensive coach" that you use as an excuse for Jalen. Jalen Green will never be the player Tatum is - I don't care what offensive system, coach or whatever the hell scenario he is in that you want to make up. Tatum has been a perennial top 5 MVP candidate - he's easily a top 10 player in the league today.
I don't think averaging 26 ppg 4 apg on 3 turnovers per game on a Eastern conference 36 win team on 58% ts as a fourth year player is that much of a gap to a 22 ppg 3.7 apg on 2.3 tov on 55% ts on a Western conference 52 win team 4th year player.
Some folks only see numbers and ignore any other factors …just like idiots saying Cam is better than JG - Cam is a forward first off - so he would need to replace DB Amen or Tari … he’s better offensively than Amen but wayyyyy behind defensively now you can get away with playing Cam with Amen and JG if you have DB or Bari/Alpi in the game with them
I've gotta admit, Jalen no-showing in 2 of the 3 playoff games thus far suggests that the Rockets need to find someone more reliable to be the starting SG. If Booker becomes available, you do it. You simply can't rely on Green to show up, and using someone like that as a building block is like building a foundation on sand. Someone with less upside that is more reliable would be better. We also need to move away from FVV....but that's another issue.
Again, you're oversimplifying it. Sengun is 22 and carrying a far heavier offensive load than Zubac ever has at 28. Zubac finishes plays created by stars meanwhile Sengun creates them himself without an elite setup man. True stars can thrive even more with help, which is exactly why context matters. And no, Sengun isn't generating "role player" numbers. You have one example that if looking under the surface, you'll see why Zubac is putting up those numbers...Harden and Kawhi.
Would love this grace and contexual analysis of other certain players on this squad not named Sengun. I agree with your take on Sengun btw.
He’s 6’8 and over 200 pounds - he’s really a forward not a SG folks always compare JG to a PG when it comes to assist and forwards when it comes to rebounding lol Folks also like to compare him to players who went to college and are currently 3-5 years older… its his first playoff series and he has a team actively scheming against him…. That says more than anything
I think the reason he evades criticism is because his bad games aren't as bad as Jalens. Not that it's right, but Sengun isn't putting up triple singles on 3/15 shooting. Even in Sengun's bad games, they still look better than Jalens complete no shows. Sengun has better "bad games" but also way worse "good games". I think we can all confidently say Sengun will not have a single game this series as good as Jalens game 2. That being said he does deserve a lot more criticism. We haven't had "the Sengun game" yet, and who knows if we'll even get one. Game 3 should've been it. They were blitzing Jalen and Sengun was getting exactly what he wanted all game. He got tons of great shots, 18 fga and 6 free throws, that should've been a 28+ point game from him. If he gives us 30 we win that game for sure. This is why a lot of people say he's just a 1b (not a 1a), is because he's just a steady "good not great" player. I doubt Sengun puts up any triple singles. But he might not give us a single great game either. He has to give a minimum of 1 "Sengun game" in this series or it will be really really disappointing.
We will agree to disagree on the talent gap between Tatum/Brown and Green/Sengun being near non-existent. Jayson Tatum at the same age and with the same coach as Green was 6th in MVP voting, was All NBA First Team and averaged 27/8/5/1. Jaylen Brown that same year averaged 25/6/3/1/1 as a 24 year old. Both the Celtics guys had their best seasons thus far in their career to that point under Udoka. Green and Sengun are both very good players but they aren't in the same grouping as the Celtics guys IMO. Those Celtics guys were also 23 and 24 years old and led their team to the NBA Finals. Jalen Green is 23 and Sengun is 22 years old... so maybe they take a big jump next season, but right now I don't put them in the same class as Tatum and Brown. Giannis and Jokic are clearly better than Tatum, but Tatum is still a franchise level player. As for Doncic, he needs to get in shape but he is at his best better than Tatum as well.
Let's be more detailed in our word usage. Jake. green and Sengun is not the same class of player. 22 year old SGA was not the same class of player that Tatum is today. I'm talking about natural ability to and respective ceilings. Name a standout elite trait of Tatum. It's easy to do with Green or Amen.
Jalen is being directly compared to Sengun. Same age, same draft. So yeah, that's why Sengun is also getting a bit more credit so far in the playoffs. Let's hope they both show out tonight or else the season is over.
Jalen Green is a better NBA player than Cam is - and while Cam I think has higher upside as a shooter - he cannot hold a candle to to Green as a passer or defender, or any other part of the game. The point of players is to impact winning and I haven't seen Cam impact winning at all...... Green on the other hands has the last 18 months started making a real positive impact on winning games. If the Rockets decide to trade Green for some high level player, that is fine - but they will need to replace his spot on the roster with someone not on the roster currently.
I really don't understand where you are coming from here. You utilize context in your analysis for Alpi and erase it when it comes to Jalen Green. One thing neural analysts are calling out with how the Warriors defend is that they are allowing Sengun to have one on one match ups in the post. His offensive gravity isn't being shown this playoffs much. The even handed context would require you to acknowledge the opposing teams are concentrating their efforts more in denying Jalen Green from gaining a rhythm with their 90+ ft face guarding, constant attempts at denying hand offs to Jalen and constant doubles and blitzing towards Jalen. Don't you people hate on Green for having worse assist/to ratio than our center for their careers? Look at this playoffs and their assists and turnovers.
The biggest difference is that Sengun contribute more to the team in ways beyond scoring. Put it another way, imagine if Jalen has the exact same scoring efficiency, but he's a PG and his passing and ball-control skills are at the level of FVV. Now you're looking at a much better player.
We are referring to this playoff series right? I'd say the team is getting more buckets from Green's gravity and playmaking than Alpi for the first three games of this series.
