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Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by hlmbasketball, Apr 21, 2025 at 9:54 PM.

  1. Nook

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    “Spread out” sounds wonderful but the issue hitting open shots.

    The Rockets shot 19% from 3 in game one. They only shot 55% from the free throw line.

    The Rockets roster is not well constructed- but this has been know for a long time and will be addressed in the off season.
     
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    Is that your Gay Look? Open shirt, smiling and looking interested. Sorry but I'm married....to a woman.
     
  3. hlmbasketball

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    I mentioned this lineup before to @cmoak1982 and he agreed, this is our best lineup.
     
  4. DaDakota

    DaDakota Rockets forever!
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    Been saying this for months...good post.

    DD
     
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    FVV hasnt played off the bench in 6 years. (2019 Toronto's game). It'd be a gutsy call to do that now.
    Or replicate that 2019 success with FVV off the bench again :D
     
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    Like I said previously, SPREAD the court and put Jalen on ball.
     
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    Like I said, it's mainly about himself. Unlike first game, today he made good decisions, he can make shoots, he delivered great passes while driving, he showed his attitude on the defense end as well. Ime didn't change the starting lineup like many of Jalen fans suggested.

    Tactics for sure help but in the end, at least as far as I am concerned, it's mainly the player himself which especially applies to a streaky player like Jalen. When he can be consistent, he will be an all-star.
     
  8. highpost1388

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    Nah, that's not what you said. You said:

    Jalen is not that good.

    Don't try to backpedal all day and act like you didn't make blanket statements about him. Amen got two quick fouls and Jalen did play without him when he got hot. Maybe "Jalen fans" are Rockets fans who wish Jalen haters would stop feeling special whenever he has a bad game and actually enjoy his improvement and career trajectory.

    All I've seen from you is hot takes after bad games and immediately trying to change up your narrative and move the goal posts. Have some shame.
     
  9. zjcblord21

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    Yes, that's what I said. I don't find this statement is in any contradiction with the statement "If he can be consistent, he will be an all-star". Unless you don't understand the difference between present tense and future tense.

    Did I say Jalen fans are not Rockets fans? No, I didn't. I just don't like some extreme Jalen fans keep acting like it's everybody else's fault while keep ignoring the fact that he has been very inconsistent and slow in development in the past four years (especially the first three years). When Jalen has some super inefficient games, always blame this blame that blablabla. They never realize it's mainly because he is not that good, he is currently a still very streaky player.

    I don't care what you think about me. I know who I am and I've been very consistent with my opinion from the begining.
     
  10. highpost1388

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    Nah, your energy after game 1 making threads, assigning all the blame, drawn out play by plays for his worst minutes, etc doesn't at all match your energy after he has a great game.

    Jalen Green is either "not that good" or he's potentially an all star with a bit more consistency.

    You and mannny other people made some big declarative statements about how he's not that good, he doesn't have the IT factor, he hasn't really improved, etc etc. Then after a good game it's "Oh he could be good" lol get real bro. I know you don't care about what I think of you, but you should have some self respect and at least own your words.

    I don't see how anyone can be a Rockets fan and a Jalen hater considering Jalen is a key player for the Rockets, consistency or not. All I have been preaching is patience, and when you come out and make declarative statements, you own them.
     
  11. zjcblord21

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    Nah, firstly, you see my joining time and see my post numbers? I don't post much before. If I remember correctly, I only created a few threads, and two of them are directly questioning Jalen, one was about half time last season, the other is the one after Game One. Why? Because Jalen really disappointed me a lot in the past four years and waching all these extreme Jalen fans also made me wanna speak out my mind sometimes (just two-time creating thread). So you see, I don't go after Jalen after every one of his bad performance. Till now, I only creat two threads in total about him. That certainly is not a lot. I don't have that much energy like you decribed and I am sure you don't think I have ever cheer for Jalen for his good performance, but you are wrong, I did.

    Secondly, my opnion still is "Jalen is not that good" because of his inconsistency. When he is bad, he can be the worst inefficient player I've ever seen. I clearly used "IF", "if he can be consistent, he will be an all-star". I still think my logic is very consistent.

    Thirdly, I list him as the main responsible person for Game one is my judgement, I still think so. "Drawn out play by plays for his worst miuntes", to be honest, in Game One, he barely had any good miuntes, almost pure negative effects on the court, completely different from today's performance. Game One he made a lot of wrong dicisions either force the shots too much or create turnovers.

    Fourthly, to my own standard, I think I am patient enough with him. Maybe you have more patience than I do but I really can't stand his super inefficient performance, super bad shooting last season, sometimes even in retrogressive mode in the first three seasons, that's why I made my first thread about him.

    That's all.
     
  12. highpost1388

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    Watching him stink up the joint in game 1 was tough for everybody. As a Rockets fan, I want to see everyone step up for the playoffs, but especially the young players. With that said, you don't see how saying he doesn't have the "IT" factor after 1 game is premature? You don't think a game where the entire team outside of Alpi struggles to score is not a game you can put on one player?

    I have no idea what your post history has been the previous years, but for these playoffs, I think you can admit that maybe you were premature in your declarations about Jalen. I'm not even saying your wrong, or making a prediction that he'll turn into Ant or Kobe or whatever, though that would be amazing if he did. I'm saying to enjoy the wins as much as you go in on the losses.

    I'm aiming that at you because at least you're man enough to come back to the threads, but it's not about you, it's about pessimism in this fandom in general. So I do have some measure of respect for you giving the back and forth at least.
     
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    I don't get it why you guys don't understand that I didn't make the statement just because of Game One.

    I did say - Jalen does not have it. I did say - Jalen is not that good. I made these comments because of what I saw in the past four seasons. For the first two seasons, I said nothing, I know a young player needs time to grow. But by half-time third season, watching his retrogressive performance, plus some extreme fans still won't admit his flaws, that's when I started questioning him on this forum.

    If I say it just because of Game One, I think it is premature. But after four seasons, I don't think this is premature. Again, this is my opinion, you can think I am premature, that's your opinion. Of course if he becomes our franchise player in the future, you can come back quoting me here, I'll then admit that I am premature, but not for now for sure. Currently, right now, I absolutely don't think he is our franchise player.

    As I said I think I am consistent enough so threre is no reason for me to be afraid of replying. Before today's game, I predicted that "Rockets will win and Jalen will shine." in another thread. I know you guys thinking that's my charade of a thread. That's not. That's because :
    1. I hope he can shine, because in the end I am a Rockets fan, I want us win.
    2. I know he has the possibility to shine, because he is streaky, he can have one bad game and one super good game next.
    3. I think he will shine becuse actually I believe whether this series is dead depends on Jalen's performance. My theory is that we know how the rest of the team can perform more or less. It's just him who is the X factor, too streaky and unpredictable.
     
  14. zjcblord21

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    Btw, I forget to reply to you about "You don't think a game where the entire team outside of Alpi struggles to score is not a game you can put on one player?"

    Other than Alpi, Bari was quite efficient on scoring as well in Game One. Yes, every loss is a team loss. Theoretically, you definitely should not blame one person for the loss because basketball is a team sport. But you know how fans like to identify "the worst" person, "the main reponsible one" in every sport game right? That's what fans do.

    The way I see may thread is - I listed Jalen, Ime and FVV, and I claim that Jalen is the main responsible person. That's exactly how I felt about that game. I do think Jalen is the main responsible one. I gave my reasons there, I strongly against you saying that I picked his worst minutes. Firstly, these second quarter minutes are where I believe the collapse started. Hence, that's why I think Jalen shoud be most responsible. Secondly, he really barely had any good miuntes in Game One.

    Anyway, agree to disagree. Thanks for the exchange.
     
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