The “give me Harden over FVV” takes are embarrassing

Harden very obviously would have made this team much better than it is right now, but signing FVV 2 years ago was still the right move to develop young players.

 

Maybe, maybe not. Harden didn't have such a mentor and he turned into a beast. It's not required to have a player as a mentor to turn into a good player. If you got it, you got it. If you don't, you don't.
What's done is done.

I'd love to have Harden on this team right now in this series. It wasn't meant to be. And what this team achieved without Harden is nothing short of amazing.

As I keep saying, the difference in game 1 was not FVV. This difference was Jalen, the #1 scoring option, only scoring 7 points (which is less than FVV).

 

Harden got to practice against KD and Russ every day…iron sharpens iron

nobody said it’s an absolute requirement, let’s stop it with the straw man talking points…

if u want to argue that Harden’s offensive teachings wouldn’t be a massive help, go right ahead

Fred, the “champion vet” went 4-19 for 10 points, but the difference wasn’t him, it was Jalen playing in his 1st ever playoff game…

cut it out

How about they were both trash, but one is the 40 million dollar vet, and the other is a playoff rookie?

y’all are grasping at straws atp

 

You said "I think the presence of Harden would’ve had a major positive effect on Jalen".

YOU made an absolute statement about something that didn't happen. That means YOU are making the straw man arguments. lol. I'm discussing reality. You or I don't know what effect Harden would have had on Jalen. You are projecting. They could have had a personality conflict and it could have gone to hell. You don't know.

Stop discussing his contract size. It's irrelevant for reasons discussed.

Most importantly. Who cares? The current Rockets are finally relevant again and fun to watch. Why so angry?

The Rockets results this season is found money. Next season is where the stakes get higher.

 

Are u stupid? I said I think. Think means it’s an opinion, and then I further elaborated on said opinion

stop wasting my time with dumb sh*t

 

Why are you insulted by anybody challenging you? Why do you resort to insults?

Yes, you said "I think" but then followed that with an absolute statement. In your statement, you offer no oxygen for any alternative interpretations. You are very strong in your conviction.

The ONLY strawman arguments are the ones you present cause your "opinions" are based in fantasy.

 

I don’t have respect for disingenuous people like u…stop quoting me your stupidity, I’m not interested

bye

 

bwhahaha. You are hysterical.

If you aren't interested, then stop posting. You brought a smile to my day.

 

Looks like theres still fvv bootlickers. Imagine blaming game 1 on green, playing his first nba playoff game instead of the overpaid midget who won a ring before and couldn't do jack sht except chuck 3s


If we had harden instead of the overpaid midget game 1 would have been ours.

 

I agreed with this at one point, but realistically who did FVV develop? Reed is super raw and I think we are essentially starting from scratch once we do actually get him into in game situations, if FVV was his mentor he has done a pretty awful job because he is fairly behind, he would have been better off if he were on just about any other team. Cam looks like he regressed this year, Jabari did not really take the next step and although he looks like a decent player, he does not look like a #3 overall or as good as we thought he would be. Tari was a bit older and had the work ethic already and so did Amen, Amen just had the "IT" factor from the beginning. Sengun also was already known to be a hard worker and is a center, FVV didn't do anything for him, he showed the most linear progression of the younger guys as is from year 1 to year 2 before FVV. Jalen Green...well that one is self explanatory.

I have seen this statement made time and time again, I just don't see it. Maybe FVV added some value, but at what opportunity cost? FVV didn't do anything that Ime didn't instill in the team once he got here, the coaching staff matters a lot more for developing guys than a starting PG. I thought FVV was the right choice when they signed him, but now that we have seen the results I think Harden would have been a much better choice. I just don't see any of our high draft picks and say wow that guys really outperformed expectations and he has FVV to thank. The only two young guys who seem to have outperformed are Sengun and Amen (maybe Tari), Amen is a freak athlete I don't think Fred taught him that.

You don't really see star players attribute their success to a backup level PG helping them out. You don't see Steph, Kyrie, Luka, Giannis, say a guy like FVV helped them early in their career get to where they are, it is the most over rated attribute of FVV in the media and on Clutchfans.

Amen was supposed to be a PG, we have him playing forward. You could even argue that Amen and Reed's development as PGs has been stunted due to FVV being on the roster because Ime likes him too much.

 

For whatever reason there are many Rockets fans who don't understand the concept of tanking. When FVV got on the team, he was replacing Daishen Nix and KPJ as the team's PG. FVV has always been fine. But people attribute way too much of the growth to him and not to the fact that the team decided they can't tank anymore, and add veteran players who know how to play basketball and veteran coach who is tasked to win games. The Rockets became an average offense and a top-5 defense. And the defensive growth is much more likely due to Dillon Brooks and Udoka.

 

It's almost like people don't remember what Harden did 5 years ago, lol.

The Rockets needed a table setter, not an iso only old superstar for the development of their young core. That's exactly why the Spurs traded for Chris Paul.

I'd pick Mike Conley, TJ McConnell, Chris Paul or Tyus Jones over Harden too, so it has very little to do with how FVV individually performs.

If you think our young core is terrible and not developed at all now, I guarentee you it was going to be even worse if the Rockets acquired Harden 2 years ago.

Now, it's a different story, getting KD or Harden would do wonders for this team.

 

You 'guarantee' something that ZERO evidence would support?

Nice.

 

The issue is you can't get Harden now, it doesn't work financially. If Harden is the right guy to have now, then we should have signed him 2 years ago. I don't think having FVV be some sort of mentor helped this team to the point its worth not having Harden. Imo Having Ime and some other Vets and players gaining experience over time would have been enough to develop them. I dont think the core is terrible and undeveloped, I just don't think FVV moved the needle for a single player, it was more of an Ime and overall vet cultural shift. Jeff Green, Steven Adams, Dillon Brooks, Ime etc thats more than enough to stabilize a formerly tanking team. People act like FVV was some lone super hero who fathered all of the core.

The cost of FVV means no Harden this year, and Harden in this series would have been exactly what we needed. We have more than enough on this squad to cover up for Hardens weaknesses, we never had that much in his prior seasons as a Rocket.

 

If I were the Clippers, I would try and get Cam and Reed if I cannot have Amen and Sengün.

Jalen would be on the lower end of the list.

 

Another case of moved goal posts. It's not about FVV. Stop it. FVV was always seen as a temporary measure. Of course it's about Green. If Green can't step up, that's a data point for what the next 10 years can look like. FVV doesn't factor into the 10 year plan.

You are attempting to rewrite history to make it convenient to fit your narrative of what happened in game 1. What got the Rockets into the #2 seed ...actually happened ...in real life ...when nobody predicted it.

Losing game 1 is not a failure.

Stone is a genius for signing FVV with a team option this summer. Now they have cap flexibility to supplement the team with more knowledge about team strengths and weaknesses. Let's see what happens in the draft and the FA market. Next season is when it starts to get interesting. This season is found money.

 

Your last statement is absolutely true. Once we drafted Amen, FVV became expendable. I wanted him gone before the season started, but I was probably being a little cavalier on how fast Amen could get ready. Stone needs to save Ime from himself.

 

Patience grasshopper. Stone has a plan ...and it's working. FVV is only on a 2 year (guaranteed) contract. Let's see what he does this summer.

 

Amen is not ready as a full time PG. I don't think they drafted him being sure about him developing into a PG because of his lack of outside shooting. But Amen is a fast learner. He has already improved from his rookie year more than most people expected. So won't be surprised if he becomes our starting PG next season. But I wouldn't say FVV stunted Amen's development. I don't think there would be any different for Amen's development whether we had Harden or FVV. With Harden, Amen would probably get more alley oop dunks. Maybe they would think that's Amen's best role on offense and scratch the PG idea.

I still don't know if Amen should be a starting PG at this point. My view about Amen has always been positionless, doing whatever is needed on the floor, rather than a traditional PG.

 

Fvv bootlickers doing mental gymnastics.

Fvv was brought over harden bc hes a winner with championship experience but it's green fault for losing the first game when we paid fvv 40 mil. What is he leading? What is he suppose to provide for the team in playoffs? Harden cant develop the youngsters. Wtf is fvv going to do? Man has no offense bag or actual playmaking ability to make our team any better.

When Harden chokes it all hardens fault but when fvv pulls a stinker as the leader of the team, it's green fault. Stupid.