7 points is inexcusable especially when a lot of the shots Jalen missed were layups, wide open midrange and pull up threes. The Rockets do have offensive deficiencies and the Warriors are exploiting that by packing the paint. Jalen needs to find other ways to be impactful like hitting midrange jump shots or floaters. We not paying him 30 million per year to stink up the joint with 40 million per year FVV.
I don't know whether he can drive through 5 players in the paint. My assessment is he can definitely do it better than Jalen, but it's pointless to talk about imaginary situation. In the first two years, CC and Jalen can still compare with each other. This season they are already at completely different level, just feel sad for Jalen. Point here is I don't think more than three years time is "rushing". I made my judgement already second half of last season. Jalen's first Playoff appearance just reinforced my opinion on him.
Never said he didn’t play poorly. A lot of those shots were rushed. Several Rockets played poorly. Amen played poorly on both ends. Missed all 4 FT’s. Sengun 5 TO’s giving up 10 pts. Tari 0-4 3s. Yet none of this was addressed by fans. Instead they keep blaming one guy. It’s old and tired. How about accountability for the other players as well
cool. Thats your opinion. Not an “absurd” opinion. You are entitled to your opinion. FYI Cunningham shot 56% in reg season in restricted area and less than 5 ft. Jalen shot 64% and 61% in those areas. Anyway agree to disagree.
Jalen’s performance was somewhat predictable given his past with the Warriors and his recent slump at the end of the season. I didn’t think FVV was going to be some playoff clutch time superstar, but I didn’t think he would sh*t the bed as bad as he did. I also warned that Ime would go back to his Sengun/FVV comfort zone when the playoffs began and sure enough, here we are. The whole team is responsible for this loss not just Jalen and not just Fred. The buck stops with the head coach. Ime should shoulder the blame for this game. He made the right moves to get back in the game and then shot himself and the rest of the team in the foot by putting back in his starters to close the game. Hopefully, he is not too stubborn to learn from his mistakes. The bottom line is that Kerr destroyed Ime in the first game.
Using a one game sample size to determine Jalen's value is dumb AF you know SGA scored 4/13 vs Memphis, I guess he sucks huh? In fact Curry the last game vs us only scored 3 pts lol ok that dude is trash right? The fact that Jalen is the one taking and missing those shots what he can do even if he isnt scoring, he is the team's spacer. Amen cant do that, he has no shot the opponents leave him open and just zone him out. At least Jalen opens up the area for Sengun even if he bricks his shot, with Amen Moody just laughs at him and goes to double up on Sengun and Adams. Amen is a solid defender? Didnt Curry score 31 and Butler score 25? Guess who Amen was guarding Je also missed all 4 of his FTA, if he made his shots and did his part maybe spacing would've been better and we would've scored more. Although we all know single game plus minus doesnt mean anything, Amen had triple negative of Jalen that game, that tells you he shat the bed pretty badly just like Jalen. FVV, Jalen and Amen all played extremely badly, and them 3 along with Ime's stubbornness to stick with them cost us the game. Like I said both Amen and Green played like ass. If you dont realize that maybe you should watch more carefully.
I said many times I acknowledge others played bad also, but you have to understand one thing here: Fans tend to blame the one who they think is the worst. That's why you can see way more blame on Jalen than others, plus FVV maybe. It's just simply because he disappointed fans so much for the past four years, no other Rockets players can compare with. It's just simply because more and more people believe he is the weakest link and needs an upgrade (FVV also). If you keep referring to FVV I can get it....but keeps referring to Amen, Sengun, Tari....completely different level compared to Jalen in last game.....It's really funny....I will not reply further.
Using a one game sample size to determine Jalen's value? No need to discuss further. Have a nice day bro!
Well I think it’s stupid to blame one player. Again that’s your opinion not necessarily based on facts or knowledge considering this team wouldn’t be where it is today without him.
This is like saying Shaquille O'Neal needs to make his FT's because I need it right now lol. Jalen will average the same % on his jumpers as he has for the past few months. If we can't win with that, then we can't win. Plain and simple. We didn't pay him to magically upgrade his skills the night before the playoffs. We paid him for what he can do. If he could make jumpers at a good rate any time he wants, we would have done that months ago, we wouldn't have waited for the night before the playoffs. Why not dream that Sengun is an elite rim protector? or Amen can make 3's? or that FVV can go iso? These are dreams not strategies. We have the parts we have. They are bad shooters, especially bad on contested ones. The coach's solution was "well we'll get the rebounds" not realizing he can worsen our scoring efficiency in the process. Now that hasn't worked, it's time to adjust the strategy and open up the paint. If you want a non-shooter to score, obviously don't put 2 non-shooters and their 2 big defenders in the paint. Get out of the paint, the same way Atkinson moved Mobley out of the paint despite him being 6'11. Also important is to pick up the damn pace. What's the point having the best athletes in the playoffs and playing at the pace that 35 year olds prefer? Amen and Jalen need the paint open and the pace up. If you want them to score enough points at or near the rim, get the clusterf*ck out of the paint. If you want to bet on Sengun, then at least give Sengun 4 shooters around him the way they do for Giannis. Right now we've compromised everyone. The options are: - Bench Amen for a shooter so that Sengun can pop off. - Bench Sengun for a shooter so that Amen and Jalen can pop off. - Bench Jalen and see if Amen/Sengun can beat an even more clogged paint. You choose your favorite option. There's no way this will work for all 3 of them starting. That starting lineup has been a disaster from the day it was created.
This team is built with Jalen Green being the teams primary perimeter scorer. He gets marketing, he gets the guaranteed starts, he gets the touches, he gets the shots, he has the long term contract, he is by every description of the word the teams "star" along with Sengun. When a teams star fails so absolutely the loss is on them. There's still the rest of the series to go, but if Jalen isn't capable of being the guy we need to send him somewhere else and bring somebody who can be. It isn't just "one" bad game, if it was I would be far more understanding. However we have 4 seasons of watching minimal improvement from him, wetting the bed in the playoffs would slam the door completely for me. All of the other rotation players on this team bring something to the table without scoring.. he does nothing. Watching him get locked down 1on1 by Steph f**king Curry...that was really, really alarming. People are right FVV isn't supposed to be shooting this much, Green is, but when Green goes MIA somebody has to try something, that's when FVV starts forcing crap...something he has no business doing. The better Green plays the less FVV does, it's been shown consistently.
Well said. Exactly what I am thinking about. People always ignore that when Jalen delivers amazing offense games, FVV also tends to be more efficient and control the amounts of shooting. He is a veteran and he knows ideally who should be the star/future of the team. Most of the time, it is exactly when Jalen can't deliver, he has to force himself. I am not making excuses for FVV, his spot needs to be upgraded as well, but right now, my conclusion is still the main problem is Jalen.
Amen played well on defense, Curry just hit super human shots. We held the warriors to 95 points. Sengun was the only reason we were even in the game for the majority of the first half. Those players contributed. Jalen simply did not contribute at all in our loss. Thats why he is bearing the majority of the blame. A guard shouldn't have more rebounds than points or assists.
I disagree. Jalen is shooting >35% on three pointers but he was awful in our loss. He is also shooting a good percentage on mid range jump shots. Its not too much to expect a star player to contribute in other ways when his jump shot isn't falling. The starting lineup is fine.... we won 52 games. Jalen Green is either a star or he needs to go. Nobody would be excusing a performance like this from any of the stars on other teams in the league. The only "bad shooters" in our starting lineup is Amen and Sengun. Nobody was saying Jalen is a bad shooter when he was hitting his shots just a week or 2 ago. Also nobody is talking about benching anyone. Its about holding players accountable for their performance. From the start of the game Jalen was not playing well and everyone watching could see that. He deserves a lot of the blame plain and simple.
I am shocked by Jalen's performance. He played way better than expected. If you expected anything more than this then you lack critical thinking ability. Just check my posts, receipts are there.
Jalen is shooting that % on overall 3's. He's shooting 40% on open catch and shoot 3's - which he's not getting anymore because his defender doesn't have to worry about drives and can just have a hand in his face. The Warriors - according to our starting PG and coach - are denying him shots aggressively to keep him out of the series so there are no easy peasy catch and shoot 3's anymore for him. Jalen's most efficient shots are drives to the rim and catch and shoot 3's. On pull up's and contested jumpers he's significantly worse. I detailed this very carefully in a thread a month ago that if an extreme amount of his shots will be jumpers, then we will get his averages which are not very good. That's what we're getting in this series - his least efficient shots and spots. He is not shooting a good % on midrange, that is outright false. I advise you to just go to NBA.com and reconsider your opinion. You seem to be relying on incorrect numbers. Can you share what %'s you're claiming he makes? "Jalen is either a star or has to go" is your opinion only, not the coach or team. Jalen just has to be believed to be worth $30m next season after his first playoff experience and another summer of improvement. We can just acquire a better shooter than Fred so that Green can get more drives and fewer jumpers. That's an easy fix. Don't compare Jalen to stars please, the stars of this league have the team built around them. The star here is Alpi. There is no perimeter star who's job it is to "well we can't get you more drives but try to win the game on floaters and midrange". You're contradicting yourself here. If he should be a star now, then build the offense around him at least partially. If he's not, then stop saying he is. You want a star perimeter player, space the floor for him just as you would for Ja Morant. When they stopped spacing the floor for Morant, his team had to fire the coach, barely make the play-in and had one of the worst losses in playoff history the other day. No matter what you wish, Jalen is what he is. There's no reason he will suddenly become better as we voluntarily worsen the compatible pieces around him. If you worsen the compatible pieces, you'll get a lesser player. Simple as that. If you built this offense for a star, their agent would be demanding a meeting with the owner to threaten the GM's job. What perimeter star wants to come face the most packed paint outside of Orlando? Practice some acceptance. If we have what we have and your anger at Jalen is meaningless and no one is better than their regular season average, then what do we actually DO now? Do you just go into rage in a room or look at your pieces and make the best of it? What can we do better after we've had a b**** fit about Jalen together?
Brother are you on amphetamines or something? who is raging or angry? The people on this forum are just saying its inexcusable for Jalen to have 7 points in a playoff game. Nobody is trying to say he should be improving drastically over night but it is fair to expect more from someone who is paid 30 million per year like you said. There were multiple instances where he drove to the basket and was looking for fouls instead of finishing which is one of his strengths. The stars of this league have their teams built around them is also blatantly false. Luka was traded midseason and is putting astronomical numbers with a relatively weak roster. Anthony Edwards lost KAT for Julius Randle and he is having a career year. Jimmy Butler was also traded mid season and is flourishing. Cade Cunningham is on a roster that won 14 games last season and made fringe additions and he is carrying the pistons in the playoffs. KD/Booker had their team "built around them" and can't even make the playoffs. Stars make their team better plain and simple. Many people on this forum believe Jalen is a star and a key piece on this team. I believe that also but is there a problem with expecting more than what we got? Are you saying the warriors can effectively limit him to 7 points per game this entire series? How are the pieces around Jalen getting worse or making him worse? We literally won 52 games with Jalen as a focal point in the offense against a ton of different defenses. No body is b****ing or crying but you seem allergic to holding players accountable for their performance.
I took it serious. Jalen played like prime grade poo. Its kind of splitting hairs if its a coaching matter or a player matter. Amen's backcourt shot creation is still in progress, but he's an all around player. FVV bricked up too many 3's, but he at least knows he's not dribble penetrating by people, that the 3 ball is his available shot. Jalen is supposed to have 3 level scoring & creation, but didnt even do 1 of the levels against old man Steph. Amen missed every free throw, and still scored more than Jalen on 6 less shots. Only 1 more point than Steven Adams who took 11 less shots, who played 1/3rd less minutes. Truthfully ONLY "Ime failed Jalen" or "Kerr schemed out Jalen" can justify his bad showing. Nothing else can
You’re moving the goal posts here, I’ve already derided Jalen for his performance. No stars don't make their team better plain and simple regardless of anything else, and if that's what a star is to you then Jalen's not a star. He's not getting paid $30m this season. You don't get a star for $30m. What we have is what we have. You can spend your time remaining furious two days after the performance but if you want to discuss what we should do next I assure you the answer is not to be mad at the past. If it helps you psychologically, then just imagine Jalen is making $12m the he's making and he's not good at pull up jumpers. Now what should we do? for this series given where we are and trading season is not open yet. What do you suggest we do? Twiddle our thumbs and pray for luck or make adjustments to our tactics and rotations?
Jalen playing poorly is 100% agreed by the board, we're discussing how we can get more points. If your answer is "I had wished he were different than what he is", I'm not interested in that discussion till after the playoffs. In a thread assessing the share of blame, it certainly matters who shares the blame. That's the whole topic here if it's not a big deal to you then what the hell are you doing here?
