Kilmar Abrego Garcia will not be returned to the US

Yup. I've said it multiple times here already.

If non-citizens don't have due process, neither do citizens.

 

Deportations without due process has been occurring for a very long time and isn't new by any stretch. Certainly not a Trump thing but sure is a media circus all of a sudden. I don't recall much outrage back then.

Speed Over Fairness: Deportation Under the Obama Administration | ACLU

When removing individuals from this country – permanently severing them from their homes, families, and community—which is more important: fairness or speed?
The United States has a proud tradition of individualized due process. No matter who you are, everyone deserves their day in court. This is especially important for immigrants, many of whom might qualify for prosecutorial discretion given their considerable roots in the United States, but who will only get that consideration if a judge can review their individual case and decide whether or not they must leave. This judicial review – a brief moment of individuality and impartiality within a system that often ignores both – is critical. Yet alarming new evidence has surfaced that in 3 out of 4 removal cases this does not happen at all.

Yesterday the Migration Policy Institute ("MPI") released the report, The Deportation Dilemma: Reconciling Tough and Humane Enforcement, on the Obama administration's immigration enforcement record. One of MPI's principal findings is that the deportation system has dramatically changed over the past 19 years – moving from a judicial system prior to 1996, where the vast majority of people facing deportation had immigration court hearings, to a system today of nonjudicial removals, where 75 percent of people removed do not see a judge before being expelled from the U.S.

The numbers are staggering: in 1995, 1,400 immigrants were subject to nonjudicial removals, representing 3 percent of total deportations. By FY 2012 that number had sharply increased to 313,000 nonjudicial removals – an all-time high.

Under today's removal system, only one quarter of all people facing expulsion get to present their case before an immigration judge. These judges, employed by the Justice Department, are experts in immigration law. They conduct formal court hearings where they hear live witnesses, review documentary evidence, and evaluate applications for immigration relief.

By contrast, nonjudicial removals are fast-track proceedings wholly controlled by the Department of Homeland Security ("DHS"), sometimes involving only a single border agent who acts as both judge and jury. Those facing nonjudicial removal have no lawyer and no chance to appeal.

The Obama administration has prioritized speed over fairness in the removal system, sacrificing individualized due process in the pursuit of record removal numbers.

A deportation system that herds 75 percent of people through fast-track, streamlined removal is a system devoid of fairness and individualized due process. Nonjudicial removals violate our constitutional tradition and cannot be reconciled with an administration that has repeatedly stated its commitment to immigration reform.

Fairness and individualized due process must be restored to the system. Expedited removal should be limited to cases where individuals are apprehended at ports of entry or land borders. All individuals must be screened to determine whether they are eligible for immigration relief or prosecutorial discretion, especially if they have US-based families or have lived in the U.S. for a substantial period of time. Individuals without a lawyer should be advised of their rights by a judge before agreeing to stipulated removal and there should be an appeal process.

Anything less is un-American.

 

Using the alien enemies act of 1798 is certainly a Trump thing.

 

Brother leftists called Obama the deporter and chief and you right wing douche bags called Obama a open borders president. Your extreme rhetoric about migrants has led to our president now waxing lyrical about sending Americans citizens to foreign detention centers.


And Obama never sent a talino illegal alien for merely existing to a concentration camp and then publicly engage in convincing a fascist Latin American leader about how America should eventually try to send its citizens to said foreign concentration camp.

 

You are lying that he is a gang banger. Why do you lie?

 

It is laughable stupid how non Democrats are so predictable.

A federal judge has stated that the government’s evidence that Garcia was a gang banger was sus. The federal judge asked the government to make their case, yet … they … have … not.

The non Ds here abandon facts that failed to fit their preexisting political narrative. Like ****ing clockwork.

 

Confirmed Killmore and Biden are still alive all in the same week. Democrat comeback. Bluewave incoming. Nothing can stop this gay train

 

Being in a gang is not a crime. Administrations who were either lax on migrants or trying to implement an open border policy would not hold someone like Killmore back, especially when married to a US citizen.

The acknowledged mistake was not deporting Killmore, the mistake was deporting the spouse of a US citzen living in the US with no criminal record and no due process. I am not sure why you people keep banging on about that. It has been established since the very beginning of the saga. Stupid liberals like yourself keep trying to spin this story into a couple narratives 1) Trump himself sought out Garcia specifically (wtf this ignorant narrative was ever pushed is beyond me) 2) There is absolutely no proof Garcia was in a gang and he was only targed because he was 'darked skinned' .. .because you know, when every other narrative fails, liberals drag out the race card because they are so damn stupid and can't admit when they are wrong.

So here we are, in the worst constitutional crisis of this country has ever seen. Even though there is absolute proof Killmore was affiliated with a gang and thus why he was rounded up, not because of racism or because Trump personally sought out Killmore. And to top it off, you idiots believe US jurisdiction supersede all other national laws on this planet and believe SCOTUS has the authority to dictate the executive branch to invade one of the least violent countries, kidnap one of their citizens ... all so you can dunk on Trump.

 

The "mistake" paradox.

Tell the courts it's a mistake. Tell the public he's still a ms13 gang member.

And that's how you know it isn't a mistake and a purposeful intent to test the limits of what they can get away with. Remember dude, pray no fascist state trooper detains me for 48 hours for my skin color. Won't end well for you.

 

Are there any other MS13 members with similar tattoos? Has any ICE officials identified those symbols as MS13 or did Trump just pull that off of social media?

While googling for information, I found a small photo gallery of MS13 and 18th Street tattoos. https://cvltnation.com/marked-for-death-ms-13-18th-street-tattoos/ I don't see any of the symbols that Trump is purporting that stands for 'M', 'S', '1', and '3'. Seems like if those 4 symbols are central tenants of MS13 gang, the symbology would show up elsewhere. Funnily enough, multiple people in that gallery had stylized 'M' and 'S' tattoos.

Here's a NY Post article saying

https://nypost.com/2025/04/18/us-ne...es-about-kilmar-abrego-garcias-ms-13-tattoos/
An ICE source told The Post that a “13” tattoo would have been mandatory for Abrego Garcia if he became part of the notorious gang while living in the US. However, when asked about the speculation online regarding the images inked on Abrego Garcia’s hands, the source said: “I’ve never heard of those resemblances being made.

To me, it sounds like another social media rumor that became self feeding and Trump tweeted it out because 'many good people are saying'. This Abrego Garcia story has been around for weeks and this week was the first time I've heard people making an issue of his finger tattoos. There were more buzz around his arm tattoos. If it was as simple as him having tattoos of literally spelling out 'MS13', why would that not have come out earlier? Unless the government makes an argument in court with evidence, I personally don't take too much stock in it.

 

You're conveniently ignoring actions that have happened. What part do you not understand he was flagged? What part do you not understand that our government has been violating everyone's civil liberties for decade by keeping secret files on everyone in this country? Do you care about this? Do you understand if you pass through US customes with a foreign piece of fruit, you get flagged and it goes on your record? And you can be denied certain services? If you go through customs and misspeak and the officiant notes it, it will forever be held on your record and held against you.

Here are the facts:
The administration admits it was a mistake. So whatever the federal judge rules is irrelevant. It was a mistake. ZERO relevance except to the idiots who keep pushing the narrative he was not a gang banger. It doesn't matter if he was or wasn't. He was mistakenly deport.
He is not a US citizen so therefore the US has no rights to force his home country to return him. And the Trump administration is under no obligation to coerce an ally to bend to the stupid liberals will. Get over it. Its not happening. Bukele said no because he hates leftists and will not under any circumstance bend to their ruling. So if you get a r****ded Democrat like Harris in office, you guys can go invade El Salvador and get him back.

 

I will repeat myself to you as well.

Bukele is not sending him back. End of story. This is the only relevant piece of information to this story. And Bukele is under no obligation under any rule of any country on this planet to do so.

So I am going to pose a question to you: Why is this story leading for so long? Why is this story so important. Out of all the other topics in the world; tariifs, Ukraine, economy, china, ect.., why is this one so important? And if your answer is constitutional rights, you're just sheeping into the MSM. I have already given examples of constitutional rights being violated in masses and nobody cares.

Perhaps it serves as a distraction to the real issue at hand - The economy. And the Trump administration ****ed up and prematurely spawned a global liquidation crisis. Trump is not immune to the bullshit previous administration did.

 

This story is remaining in the news because it isn't resolved, Trump hasn't asked El Salvador to send him back. He was sent there by mistake according to Trump and this administration has a history of doing things haphazardly so it can happen to someone else

 

I was merely pointing out that this is not a new thing. Not entirely the same sure but 300K plus people with no due process shuttled away and not a peep so you can knock off the name calling and branding me one or the other.

 

"Deporter and chief" is a leftist nickname for Obama my dude.


And you are ignoring the fact that Obama in that process didn't weaponize deportations as a calling card for Americans to be paranoid about illegal aliens as a violent class of humans destroying our society.

 

I'm not ignoring anything, I get it and don't agree with it however as has been pointed out once executive power grows its transferred to the next, it rarely ever reduces itself and so here we are. If you read the article, it plainly states that this method of "speedy" deportation without due process has been getting out of hand and we now find ourselves here, extreme cases sure but we can trace it back with thirty years of practice.

 

Trust me when I say that you are preaching to the choir when you say this to me.

I've been skewered by some more moderate Democrats here for saying it was a wrong idea in the last election to buy into right wing framing on the border and just say "Donald Trump doesn't care about border security, we do".

 

Assuming he was sent there by "mistake", he is from El Salvador with gang affiliation and a deportation order. Trump can not ask for a Salvadorian person to be sent back to a country he is not a citizen of. The insane entitlement on this one, imagine if Honduras started asking Trump to send back an American citizen that has a criminal record in America and waiting for trial in America but sine he lived in Honduras for a period of time Honduras feels entitled enough to ask for him back.

Its absurd.....

 

Dude has been here for 13 years. El Salvador is holding him because of right wing alleged crimes in El Salvador?

 

Bro you aren't dumb like rileydawg and fchwoke..... He could have been her 43 years and that does not change the fact that he isn't an American Citizen..... Look, I get why you genuinely possibly care but its not worth it. These dudes will go to extreme lengths to try and convince you this man actually has some sort of right to be here and due process but he doesn't. He is from El Salvador, there is no in between. Even if his wife had already submitted papers trying to legalize her husband he still isn't a citizen. Even if he already had an immigration appoitment where he was to be sworn in he still isn't a citizen.

This guys has MS13 affiliation, I get MS13 hasn't done that much damage to the U.S but in El Salvador we hate those mf's.... Anyone even associated in the slightest needs to be looked at carefully and investigated by El Salvador.....