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  1. jch1911

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    Waltzing Rhinos update
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    Waltzing Rhinos TM formula = mass (weight / height) divided by short shuttle time

    Examined 48 offensive tackles between 1997 - 2024 that made All-Pro 1st or 2nd team
    10 have insufficient data (38 remaining)
    19 (of 38) scored 10.5 or higher
    10 (of 38) only scored 10 or higher
    So 29/38 scored 10 or higher (76%)
    Also, 19/38 = 10.5 or higher (50%)



    Examined 62 IOL between 1997 - 2024 All-Pro 1st or 2nd team
    6 have insufficient data (56 remaining)
    28 (of 56) scored 10.5 or higher
    12 (of 56) scored 10 or higher
    So 40/56 = 10 or higher (71%)
    Also, 28/56 = 10.5 or higher (50%)

    Up next....this year's draft class (after I can get Pro Day data)
     
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  2. OKC_Texan

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    Great stuff brother! Bring it on!
     
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  4. raining threes

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    This is what I've been saying about the Caserio/Caley/Popovich/Schlipinski group, they're all from the John Carroll or Pats system, so they should know exactly the types of players they want to add to this offense. As opposed to drafting for a Kelly, then a Pep, followed by Slowik type offenses.

    There's no wonder that those offenses weren't successful, there was no continuity.
     
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  5. sydmill

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    I am hoping that the Texans have gotten their house in order when it comes to protecting CJ so far this offseason. We are in Super Bowl or Bust type territory for the next couple of seasons. I think, for next year, a line of Cam Robinson - Donovan Jackson - Jarrett Patterson - Tytus Howard - Trent Brown would provide a marked improvement from last season. Blake Fisher, Juice Scuggs, Laken Tomlinson & Ed Ingram supply the depth. I'd like to see a project guy stashed on the practice squad to be ready to be the swing tackle in 2026. I think theyll have ammo to go get a franchise type LT in the 2026 draft but Im expecting Fisher and Howard to be the OTs going into that season.
     
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  7. OKC_Texan

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    Where do you believe our OL ranks in the NFL before the draft?

    PFF ranked us 31 and that was before we traded Tunsil. I'm inclined to believe that we're in the 30-32 range.

    Can we get to the Super Bowl with this OL?
     
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  8. Buck Turgidson

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    How much stock do you put into PFF Rankings?

    Pretty sure they said Bullock really sucked at coverage. They're kind of all over the place.

    Of course we need more OL help/bodies.
     
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  9. OKC_Texan

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    I use PFF as a resource but I don't take anything they say as gospel. I think their #31 ranking sounds about right.

    Until I'm shown otherwise I think our OL is going to be terrible and I believe it's because we lack quality linemen. My hope is that Nick drafts two dudes that can start on day one.
     
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  10. raining threes

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    I would be very happy if Nick traded down into the 2nd and drafted Ratledge and Milum as the 2 starting OG's as rookies. Never going to happen
     
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  11. Marshall Bryant

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    These are the 15 OL bodies I show on the Roster excluding TE who are sometimes included, but not here.

    FIRST LAST A # POS AGE WT YR PK FA

    Cam Robinson A 74 LT 30 335 17 34 2026

    Trent Brown A # RT/LT 31 380 15 244 2026

    Austin Deculus A 75 RT/LT 25 321 21 205 2026

    Laken Tomlinson A # LG 33 323 15 28 2026

    Zach Thomas A 74 G 26 300 22 186 2026

    Tremayne Anchrum Jr A 79 G 26 314 20 250 2026

    Jerome Carvin A # G 25 308 23 UFA 2026

    Jarrett Patterson* A 54 C 25 310 23 201 2027

    Juice Scruggs* A 70 C 24 308 23 62 2027

    Ed Ingram A # RG 26 307 22 59 2026

    Nick Broeker A 64 RG 24 305 23 230 2027

    LaDarius Henderson A 77 G 22 309 24 249 2028

    Titus Howard A 71 RT/LG 29 322 19 23 2027

    Blake Fisher* A 57 ST 21 310 24 59 2028

    Jaylon Thomas A 72 RT 24 311 23 UFA 2026
     
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  12. Buck Turgidson

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    And?
     
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    I'm expecting at least three with at least two in the top 4 rounds.
     
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    Love this.............pencil them in as the starters and see how they roll
     
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  15. Buck Turgidson

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    I wouldn't want 2 rookies starting at OG

    Maybe if you had Mike Webster at C, but....
     
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    All I ask is they start in a rotation and build up their time. I do expect them to be starters at some point in the season.
     
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    I'll bet they would be better than Green/Mason were last yr.
     
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    Part 2 - Draft Week (plugged in as much data as I could find on interwebs)

    2025 OL Draft Class

    OT
    Draft with confidence (Rhino score over 10.5 + arms longer than 33.5")

    Donovan Jackson (OSU) (1st round) (my choice)
    Kevin Banks Jr. (TX) (1st round)
    Jonah Savaiinaea (AZ) (2nd day)
    Logan Brown (KS) (3rd / 4th round)
    Anthony Belton (NCST) RT only? (3rd day)
    Josh Fryar (OSU) borderline at 10.47 (3rd day)


    Overall athleticism lacking, but scored above 10.5
    Tyler Booker (AL) G only? (2nd day)
    Josh Williams (CIN) (3rd day)
    Esa Pole (WSU) (3rd day)

    No short shuttle (SS) = insufficient data
    Armand Membou (MO) would need a SS less than 4.98
    Hollin Pierce (RUTG) would need a SS less than 4.86
    Emery Jones (LSU) Would need a SS less than 4.67
    Cameron Williams (TX) Would need a SS less than 4.67
    Josh Conerly Jr. (OR) would need a SS less than 4.65
    Jalen Rivers (MIA) would have to run a SS less than 4.7, but has the arm length to play OT
    Will Campbell (UGA) arms less than 33"; would need a SS less than 4.7
    Josh Simmons (OSU) 33" arms; would need a SS less than 4.73


    IOL
    Draft with confidence (Rhino score over 10.5 + arms less than 33.5")

    Aireontae Ersery (MN) arms are 33.13"
    Jared Wilson (UGA)
    Jackson Slater (SacST)
    Caleb Rogers (TXT) SS of 4.49!
    Hayden Conner (TX)
    Garrett Dellinger (LSU)
    Bryce Cabeldue (KS)
    Dalton Cooper (OKST)
    Jake Majors (TX) arms are under 31"
    Eli Cox (KY) arms are 31"; our coaching staff is familiar with him
    Aidan Williams (MN)
    Dylan Poirer (NH)
    Luke Newman (MISt) arms are 31"
    Drew Moss (CSU)

    Overall athleticism lacking
    Luke Kandra (CIN) score was 10.45479 + arms under 32"

    No short shuttle = insufficient info
    Tate Ratledge (UGA) would need SS less than 4.49
     
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  19. Blatz

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    Jackson is my number one choice at 25 or with a trade back, but not too far back because I don't think Jackson will last long. I really want two linemen out of this draft
     
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    I do not want to trade out of the 1st round. I see value in a 5th year option.
     
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