Kilmar Abrego Garcia will not be returned to the US

If someone is in the country illegally of course I would see them deported... duh.

Every country deports it's illegal immigrants.

That's not unique to the United States.

You think Great Britain, France or NZ is going to let you stay there forever without having gone through the proper channels?

 

He was here illegally, and his deportation was done with authority

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2025/04/14/icymi-dhs-sets-record-straight-about-kilmar-abrego-garcia

 

I can't answer that question. I can't predict what Bukele would do in a hypothetical situation. Why would you think I could answer that question? These are reserved for stupid fights on CNN and Fox.

 

Not surprised there....

And despite all that crime is low.... so where's this need to suspend due process? Some phony baloney call to national emergency by Trump? There's like half a dozen BS national emergencies for Trump to expand his power.

The GOP has all three branches of government.... and yet they don't want to govern by putting forth legislation to deal with immigration? They could have put forth legislation right out of the gate and we could be funding the GOP plan without the courts getting in the way.... yet this is the path you think is best?

 

This individual was brought here as a minor (illegally) and then went through the proper channels (multiple layers) that ended up with ruling that he was allowed to stay. He checked in with immigration annually and was making no effort to avoid detection.

I would have no objection if ICE or DHS decided they wanted to challenge his standing and did a hearing to get him removed.

 

Ooh, you’re gonna actually have a good faith back and forth now, instead of duck in simple questions? Cool! Now we’re on!

So because you are a believer of the enforcement of our laws, you would deport every single illegal alien in the United States. Awesome. Now that you have cratered the agricultural, restaurant and hospitality industries, what steps are you going to take to ensure they have the ability to operate? Do you plan to offer every restaurant subsidies or emergency relief to pay dishwashers and busboys minimum wage? How about all fruit and vegetable pickers?

Or you’re gonna be tough and say … sorry farmers, the law is the law. Too bad. I just deported your entire workforce. Deal with it.

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I am very fair though. I’m not just here to ask questions. I’m answering yours as well.

Yes, I believe that Gb, France and NZ does and will continue to refrain from deporting all of its illegal immigrants because (1) it is logistically damn near impossible to do so, but more importantly, (2) they are not interested in creating an economic crisis and would much rather exploit the cheap labor provided by illegal immigrants.

Like republicans and democrats in the US, the politicians in GB, France and NZ are not stupid. They want and need the cheap labor and absolutely will not deport all illegal aliens.

 

And there's a process for that.....

Instead of Trump admin proving it in court that this man needs to be deported... he goes around the court and ignores the Supreme Court? Why are y'all so afraid of proving things in court?

 

Really now.

You dropped your drawers yesterday. I just wanted to see you dance.

 

So we are back to the conspiracy theories. Trump sitting in the oval office late at night framing poor migrants, calling up ICE and telling them to go get this poor highly respectable family man and send him off to a concentration camp.

This is the most r****ded framing of this situation when the Trump administration has acknowledge it was an error. There are no conspiracies where Trump had anything to do with this until the plane was over international waters.

But hey, you found something to dunk on Trump. Thats all that matters. Even if its straight out of Democrat fan fiction.

 

Why are y'all so scared to prove things in court? Do you hate checks and balances that bad?

 

So we should ignore the law if enforcing the law may have some side effect?

There's always a side effect from enforcing the law.

Husbands lose wives, children lose fathers, businesses lose employees etc etc etc every time there is a an arrest let a lone a conviction. The judicial system costs the U.S. tax payer billions every year. If we just ignored all the crimes then we could use that money elsewhere.

 

I knew it was in jest.
No biggie.

I have been a food service administrator for about 30 years. McDonalds is not a good job by any means, but I have had some people from McD's come work under me that have done well in the biz.
That place is tougher to work than any high-end restaurant as far as physical effort and the drama the employees have to endure.

All good time to move on.

 

The argument for suspending some civil liberties in the context of illegal immigration is that normal judicial processes cannot cope with the size and scale of the 10s of millions of persons flagrantly and openly breaking our laws.

 

What an odd political issue for the Democrats to take on. Their instincts are very poor on the decision to defend this guy.

 

To address your points:

- yes, I believe it is a cost benefit analysis. Sometimes, we should refrain from enforcing the law if there is “some side effect” … if that side effect would create an economic disaster. (Let’s not be cute and call the cratering of multiple industries “some side effect”.).

- In what part of this analysis have I (or anyone else) said we should “ignore all the crimes”? Exactly zero people have advocated this. Not you, not me, not anyone here. It isn’t a useful argument to make extreme statements that are fictional.

- You mention the cost of the judicial system for crimes. Good, now we are talking about cost benefit analysis. You seem to be concerned that illegal immigrants are committing crimes (note they commit crimes at lower rates than US citizens) and the prosecution of those crimes is costly.

- question for you - Is it your position that these judicial system costs outweigh the incredibly cheap labor they provide so that everybody gets to pay less for food at the grocery store and at restaurants? Which is bigger to the average American citizen: these judicial system costs or the cost savings we enjoy every day due to illegal immigrant labor? These are very real questions to confront and I started a thread on this to educate ourselves on the issue

- I would still like to know what you would do to address the removal of the workforce for our farms, dairies, food processing, restaurants and hospitality industry. They’ve all been deported to enforce our laws. Now what?

 

keep dancing

 

It’s really sad that Trump gets to be a dictator.

 

Their instincts are maintaining this country's values

 

Tens of millions? Do you know what that term means or you just being dishonest about the number of illegal immigrants?