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Tariffs at work: NVIDIA to Manufacture American-Made AI Supercomputers in US for First Time

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by strosb4bros, Apr 14, 2025.

  1. dholi_1

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    latest eg of Invisible parroting lies by an unreliable source, and presenting it as gospel :oops::oops::oops::oops::oops::oops::oops::oops::oops::oops::oops:l!!



    AMD Announces ‘Venice,’ First HPC Chip on TSMC 2nm Process from Arizona Fab

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    AMD Chair and CEO Lisa Su with TSMC Chairman and CEO CC Wei​


    AMD (NASDAQ: AMD) announced its next-generation AMD EPYC processor, “Venice,” and said it is the first HPC product to be taped out and
    brought up on the TSMC 2nm (N2) process technology.“This highlights the strength of AMD and TSMC semiconductor manufacturing partnership to
    co-optimize new design architectures with leading-edge process technology,” AMD said. “It also marks a major step forward in the execution of the
    AMD data center CPU roadmap, with ‘Venice’ on track to launch next year. AMD also announced the successful bring up and validation of
    its 5th Gen AMD EPYC CPU products at TSMC’s new fabrication facility in Arizona, underscoring its commitment to U.S. manufacturing.”




    Invisible, think before your parrot!
     
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    The fact checking in CF is pretty outstanding. Time and again, people who post misleading or patently false information are put in their place.

    And it is one of the biggest reasons I visit D&D. We all know the people who deal in facts and back it up with credible sources. It is useful to read and learn information like that. Kudos.
     
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    Feeling smug for predicting that Biden's infra bills would start transforming the economy and that dumb MAGA would give the credit to Trump.
     
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    it would take a very ignorant person to parrot this provocative / baseless claim;
    Invisible Fan meets that requirement like a glove​
     
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  6. Invisible Fan

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    Why do you want others to do the heavy lifting for you? If something draws your attention, wouldn't it be better to spend a little time confirming it yourself?

    You are being mislead.

    These two links in the thread aren't wrong. You either have to read carefully or spend time researching it.
    https://www.techpowerup.com/328663/...the-us-yet-latest-nodes-must-remain-in-taiwan
    https://insidehpc.com/2025/04/amd-a...pc-chip-on-tsmc-2nm-process-from-arizona-fab/

    The main issues are what the Arizona fab is making now, if Venice is being made in Arizona, and what chips are in 5th gen Epyc which is made in Arizona.

    It's a fact and Taiwanese law by the time 2nm comes out in an Arizona plant, Taiwan will be making newer nodes. A simple google search would prove this. Trump or any other president hasn't "fixed" that.
     
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    and the willfully ignorant parrot doubles down

    the main issue is that you lied
     
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    These kinds of decisions are years in the making. Companies don't get off the phone with a politician and decide to invest hundreds of billions of dollars after a few hours of meetings.

    The drones may think this had something to do with tariffs, but it doesn't. What probably is more likely is that these companies are making a formal announcement of their already existing plans to make a splash and score political points.
     
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    I'm doubling down because I'm right and I get to see who gets fished in with your hair brained posting style. It's ironic your favorite words are parrot and willful ignorance. What is your favorite quote?

    You haven't even done a simple search for those three points and are just hanging on my ass like when I needed to poop badly at a bar and there was only two squares of tp left.
     
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    The 2nm plant in Arizona wont be built until 27/28, likely after a 3nm plant is built

    so while 2nm is leading edge right now (ie no chip company has any product in tsmc 2nm production) that tech won’t be leading edge by 27/28
     
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    But we build tons of other new Semiconductor plants other than the TSMC in AZ. Heres just a few examples

    Micron facility in Idaho & NY

    https://www.micron.com/manufacturing-expansion/ny

    The new Intel fab in OH

    https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/corporate-responsibility/intel-in-ohio.html

    Intel fab in NY

    https://siliconheartland.newalbanyohio.org/

    Samsung newest fab in TX

    https://www.americanprogress.org/article/new-samsung-semiconductor-plant-in-taylor-texas/#:~:text=Samsung invested approximately $17 billion,artificial intelligence (AI) purposes.

    Texas instrument new fab in UTAH

    https://www.ti.com/about-ti/newsroo...onductor-wafer-fabrication-plant-in-utah.html

    GlobalFoundries newest fab factory in NY

    https://gf.com/gf-press-release/glo...york-advanced-packaging-and-photonics-center/

    This was all done by targeted subsidies without dumbass tariffs hurting the middle class @strosb4bros. I dont know why @Invisible Fan pretends the AZ factory was the only thing that was built under Biden.

    We arent even talking about the 800+ new factories built by the IRA.
     
  13. DaDakota

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    Thank you Joe Biden for the Chips and Science act.

    DD
     
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    This leads to a conversation about consumerism in general. This is a change in the world order of the past 35 years so these aren't apples to apples comparisons. When American manufacturers know they need an entry level price point, not just a Les Paul custom design, they make adjustments. Labor will never be as cheap as Indonesia or Mexico, but Ford is able to come up with new cars for under $30k. With a stronger middle class, this is a very affordable price point compared to a $70k truck. But this is Texas and you'll see tiny girls in nursing school driving those trucks.

    Are nursing students going to continue to jack up their credit to buy things they don't need? You could argue it's an American philosophy, but their debt rating and consumer credit scores show things are on the verge of implosion.

    We also need to break down places by region. 10% tariffs, which is what will most likely be the case with Canada and Mexico after the "art of the deal", aren't make or break. China on the other hand does cheat in addition to strategically flooding markets with supply to crush domestic competition. Many countries have complained about this. If there aren't guardrails against that, they get all the spoils and American earning potential bears the brunt of it. Would you rather earn less and shop at the dollar store, or earn more and shop at costco? If your grocery bill is the same percentage of your income, you want Costco.
     
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    This is the core part of your argument that you base on assumptions. Many manufacturing unions such as NAM point out Trump's first term as historic for onshoring manufacturing. This was before COVID hit and increased the sense of urgency.

    Trump’s First Term: A Historic Era for Manufacturing - NAM


    You also keep giving Biden credit for the CHIPS act -- it was a bipartisan legislation that was introduced by more Republicans than Democrats. The on shoring of TSM was led by Keith Krach who was appointed by the first Trump administration. It was followed by the Building CHIPS in America Act, introduced by more Republicans than Dems. Everyone knows we need to build these in America and decrease reliance on Asia. The debate is only over how to go about doing it.

    So you need to focus on how unfair trade practices foreign countries take advantage of don't GUT the earning power of the middle class.
     
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    Quit lying your ass off. Manufacturing spending was stagnant under Trumps first term. There was zero mass scale onshoring happening. We are not brainwashed morons

    Your cult messiah lobbied against the CHIPS act. House leadership whipped votes against the bill. You don't get to claim credit on the bill

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    Yeah so bipartisan that only 24 House Republicans voted for it. GTFOH.
     
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    Just to wrap this up since other members are trolling or being useful idiots:
    • AZ fabs aren't pumping out 3nm or 2nm but 4nm *right now*.
    • 3nm is the most advanced TSMC chip out for sale *right now*.
    • The link you provided gave the impression that the Venice chip is being made with 2nm AND is being made in AZ
    • However, the Venice chips are not 4nm
    • 5th Gen AMD EPYC that will roll out in AZ are 4nm
    Since you are knowledgeable and can provide links other people have latched onto, please do me a favor and confirm.
     
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    I never said that or made the connection. Prove it.

    Mebe dats y u dunno?
     
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    But the sad part is probably less than 5-7% of Americans have heard of the chips act or IRA. Americans are clueless and uneducated in policy so these MAGA talking points that these clowns spew @El_Conquistador @strosb4bros works on a large chunk of the population. It's truly sad how Americans are so clueless.


    You forgot to mention production yields are 5% higher than those in Taiwan.... plus the grant was conditional on TSMC providing child care to its employees... that's the point of policy vs unhinged tariffs on the whelm
     

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