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[BDS] Calls for boycott of Microsoft

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  1. Nook

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    Be careful - you may be deported.
     
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  2. Space Ghost

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    Oh we ALL know the government gets it wrong. Covid, different topic. They got it wrong when they started allowing mass illegal immigration to flow into the country over the last four years. They got it wrong when they refused to fix their problem or streamline the process (incompetent or intentional, you tell me). They got it wrong when they started giving illegals more aid than many of our struggling citizens. They got it wrong when they allowed illegals to rape, beat and kill our citizens, only to release them back out into public a couple days later. This is the democrats mess and this country elected Trump to fix it. And now you have the audacity, after ****ing this process up for 4 years, to demand the current administration to do it your way. Its almost like you guys want to destroy the country.

    So answer me this, why are you so adamant about giving illegal immigrants more rights than me? "getting it wrong" is a cop out. Democrats have been doing it wrong all this time and you still have refused to acknowledge that.
     
  3. Amiga

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    Due process isn’t some personal preference - it’s a fundamental principle that exists because, as you’ve acknowledged, the government can and does get things wrong.

    What I don’t get is how you can treat something that should apply equally to everyone as if it’s giving others more rights and taking something away from you. That logic doesn’t hold up. It sounds like it’s coming from a place of entitlement - like you already feel secure in your rights, so extending those same rights to others somehow feels unfair.
     
  4. Space Ghost

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    Due process is 1 of the many many aspects of our legal system. So is managing the border and keeping criminals off the streets instead of releasing them a couple days later after they have abused or killed our citizens. Or commit any other crimes for that matter.

    Why are you so hung up on that 1 single issue but give a pass to everything else? Answer me that. Why can't you hold your team accountable but you want to hold Trump accountable? You voted for Harris so you voted for more of the same. You don't give a **** about the constitution. You only care about your party and dunking on the opposition.

    And I don't give a rats ass about about some gang bangers who's own country refuses to accept them. SC ruled in favor of Trump. Deal with it.

    Speaking of entitlement, I think you would have a very different view if you stepped out of your ivory tower. If it was your friends or family being affected by these people, you would expect something done immediately.
     
  5. Amiga

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    I'm focused on due process because it's a basic core protection for everyone - not just "my team" versus yours.

    You're again making assumptions about my views that aren't accurate: I never said I opposed border security or managing immigration effectively. I never expressed support for releasing violent criminals.

    The Supreme Court ruling isn't what we're discussing. We're talking about the principle that everyone deserves basic legal protections before the government takes action against them.

    Your argument seems to equate due process with being soft on crime or endangering citizens, but that's a false choice. We can have both security and constitutional protections - they aren't mutually exclusive.

    Rather than assuming how I'd feel if my family was affected, or what political views I hold, are you capable of standing down from your emotional tower and focus on the actual principle at hand? Due process exists precisely because emotional reactions shouldn't override legal protections that benefit all of us.
     
  6. Space Ghost

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    I get it. You cherry pick what is important. I also understand that when your team is wrong, you look the other way and dismiss it. You are perfectly find with criminals having more rights.

    Have you ever criticized the Biden administration for allowing this to be such a giant problem? If I recall, I think you fiercely defended it.

    This pretty much summons up the state of the Democrat party right now.

     
  7. Amiga

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    Due process isn't about giving "more rights" to anyone - it's about ensuring everyone receives the same fundamental protections under the law. That's a very basic principle, not a partisan nor emotional one.
     
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  8. No Worries

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    Like Trump "fixed" illegal migration in his first term?

    For all we know, illegal migration has not changed since Trump started his second term. And we 100% know better to trust anything Trump Admin says about these numbers.

    The country elected Trump to fix egg prices (aka price of everyday items), for which Trump has done jack sh*t.

    For those cling to "Trumps is doing what he promised", where is the southern border wall ... that Mexico paid for ... built during his first term.

    Finally, what Trump has done in his second term to fix illegal migration is at best performative theater. At the current rate, how long will it take Trump to deport the 11 million illegals?
     
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  9. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    It is hilarious to watch a communist decrying putting people in gulags without due process. Nothing makes communists happier. In the outside chance that your supported regime was put in power, they would deem many people reactionary elements and put them in the gulag (or just line them up and shoot them). It is weird that you are on the right side of this one issue (you probably would not have gotten to it if it was a rich white guy sent to El Salvador, but that's just how it goes). I congratulate you on thinking due process is good (at least for now, when the people you don't like are the ones attacking it).
     
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    Yup. And imagine the MAGA administration opening the door for me to cease your assets and deport you. How ironic would that be?
     
  11. Space Ghost

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    Countless videos of Obama talking about illegal immigration, slamming bush for not controlling the border, how they need to speak english, ect ...

    But all you got is Trump Trump Trump.

    Now you hate him for doing what every political leader before him said they should be doing...except Biden. Biden just opened the border wide open and it was abundantly clear Americans were not cool with thiat.

     
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  12. Xerobull

    Xerobull ...and I'm all out of bubblegum
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    Micronet?
    Skysoft?
    Microskysoftnet?

    [​IMG]
     
  13. Space Ghost

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    When dangerous illegal criminals are being released back on the street after they commit horrific crimes only to further commit further crimes, you are giving more rights to the criminals and telling them american people fck you.

    As I said, you can not criticize the your own team for having an absolute **** show for 4 years. All you can do is stay silent and criticize the other team. I am not sure why you are so much more concerned about the rights of criminals than the neglected American citizen.

    What absolutely blows my mind is there are worse events happening under the Trump administration but you are choosing to defend some of the worst people on this planet. This is why the democrat party has gone to complete **** with some of the worst approval numbers on record. People like you just keep voting them in. Doesn't matter, as long as they have a D next to their name, they are good. And the most bizarre part is the Trump administration has many former Democrats, reasonable respectable ones, yet you choose to vilify them and make them your enemy.
     
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    A fool can convince themselves to eliminate basic due process with logical leaps.
     
  15. Amiga

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    You're confusing due process, a basic right, with poor decisions in criminal justice administration. Protecting due process doesn't mean "giving more rights to criminals," it means not throwing away the rule of law based on emotion. If someone is mishandled or released when they shouldn’t be, that’s a failure in how the system is run, not a reason to abandon basic principles.

    Funny enough, Trump ran on law and order but granted clemency to people who committed serious crimes. So maybe be consistent before calling one side soft on crime.
     
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    Not very ironic. Why would one party I oppose opening the door (by taking actions I oppose) for another party I also oppose to do bad things to me be ironic? It sounds like I would just be right to oppose both of them and unfairly suffer because other people couldn't figure that out.
     
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    But your disdain and hatred for people that don't resemble your culture makes you a honorary MAGA.

    Your style of hatred and that hatred shared in mass by many conservatives fuels MAGA.

    Your lack of empathy is what weaponizes MAGA to convince a large part of the American public to suspend due process. That desire can only come from the decades of anti-immigrant and anti-brown people rhetoric that you have been knee deep in for decades.
     
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    So what you're saying is that this issue has spanned multiple Administrations over multiple decades and yet nobody in the Executive or Legislative Branches of either party has come up with a consensus common sense solution?

    American Exceptionalism!
     
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    It sure does not look like anyone is looking for a consensus solution.

    This is a flaw in our political system. Both sides tend to fund raise off the same issue(s), without any real plans to fix the issue(s). The electorate is waiting for solutions and problems to be fixed.
     
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  20. Space Ghost

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    Lets rephrase this in a very simple way.
    You're more concerned about the rights of non citizen gang bangers than you ever are about US citizens.

    This isn't about emotions. Its about prioritizing more important issues. I have 99 problems and the rights (whether they are violated or not) of an illegal gang banger is not one of them. Your world is lived in perfection where your top concern is US constitutional rights to illegal violent criminals. You have drifted so far off in the fringe that you're complete unaware of your surroundings.
     

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