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Gina Carano's Amazing Acting Career Watch

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Xerobull, Aug 31, 2022.

  1. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    I thought it made for a fine story. I was more interested in the overarching libertarian messages of freedom overall and resistance to authoritarianism. The communist undertones were to be expected from a modern Hollywood story, but the character of Cassian Andor couldn't be a more libertarian icon.
     
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    The empire was expressing American libertarian values by giving freedom to capital owners to abuse labor. You literally ignored the entire worker's rebellion on the planet Andor was from?

    You saw a worker's rebellion as a libertarian allegory. God you are stupid.

    The right wing and media illiteracy go hand in hand.
     
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    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    Apparently you didn't watch the show. The Empire literally took over the system from the Corporate Sector Authority. The Capitol owners were nationalized (imperialized?) and stormtroopers were in the streets and military intelligence was torturing people. The "Worker's Rebellion" was not a class rebellion, it was a rebellion against authoritarianism. Not only that, but you still don't understand the point of libertarianism. Libertarianism is ultimately opposed to government control. The Empire is 100% government control. They are diametrically opposed.
    No, I said Cassian Andor was a libertarian ideal. He wasn't part of a worker's rebellion. He worked with the Rebels when it suited him, and didn't when it did not. He never was much involved with the workers of Ferix. Cassian's adopted mom was more connected with the workers of Ferix, but even her impassioned posthumous speech is not one of class warfare, but opposition to authoritarianism (a creeping darkness encroaching like rust). There were visual representations of a worker's solidarity movement (the gloves on the wall, for example), but the text doesn't support a class-based reading, but rather a resistance to an authoritarianism imposed from the outside. Even Nemik's "manifesto" is not one of class solidarity, but a natural rights-based resistance to imposed control. His call isn't for workers of the world (galaxy) to unite, it is for people to oppose control and tyranny.
    You might want to watch the show again. Pay attention to who is leading the Rebellion and their motivations for doing so (hint: it has nothing to do with class struggle). Pay attention to literally any of the main characters and their motivations. None of the show is about worker control of the means of production. Everything is about the resistance to totalitarian control and in support of individual liberty.
     
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    My brother in Christ.

    Authoritarians don't authoritarian for no reason. It isn't for sadistic reasons.

    The Empire doesn't do empire stuff to satisfy the politeriat. They do empire stuff to allow capital owners to do their thing... exploit labor. Andor and even the mainline sequel movies show the wealth and exuberance of capital owners and how much they benefit from imperial rule.

    The Empire in Stars wars is a very oligarchical empire where the emperor can control private capital resources at will if it is for the security of the Empire(sound familiar... The 'suspend civil liberties and do protectionism for national security interests').
     
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    Most of them do it for personal benefit.
    Have you ever seen any of the Star Wars properties, especially the Prequal Trilogy? Palpatine was the Senator from a backwater world who came to power through manipulation based on the magical powers bestowed upon him by his religion. The Empire is closer to Islam than unfettered capitalism (despite Lucas's Vietnam based rebel sympathies).
    The most opulent people in Andor are Mon Mothma and her friends. Mon Mothma is the head of the Rebel Alliance. One of the other founders of the Rebel Alliance is Bail Organa, adopted father of Princess Leia. If you think the text of Star Wars supports the idea that the Empire is supportive of and supported by the rich, I don't think you have ever actually watched it.
    The only mentions of Capitol in all of the canon Star Wars properties are the CSA in the prequals (an alliance of seperatists opposed to and defeated by the Republic c*m Empire (though manipulated by the Emperor with his magic/religious powers)), and the Corporate Authority in Andor, who are superseded by the Empire. At no point does the Empire stand behind capital owners and allow them to "do their thing".

    The closest that Star Wars comes to some sort of class-based message is in The Last Jedi, when they go to the casino planet and there are war profiteers (and it is pointed out that they are selling to the Resistance and the New Order, this being after the Empire has already fallen).
     
  6. Xerobull

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    Ah, what a ****ing shame. From being a smokeshow MMA star to starring in Haywire and breaking into mainstream nerd movies and shows and almost getting her own…and then it all falls apart because she can’t keep her politics to herself. What a waste.

    Oh, and she’s from Dallas. I guess that should have been the first clue. Whomp-whomp.
     
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    Exposing the salaries of the actors attached to Star Wars projects only highlights what everyone already knows, that actors have minimum “quotes” and higher A List actors get higher salaries. It’s not some Hollywood secret.

    It won’t prove discrimination specifically against Gina Carano. If anything it will show that more than likely she got paid more per episode for season 2 than she did season 1, this raising her minimum quote for future projects. Just not with Star Wars.

    I will say it again, she was not under contract for a third season. They did not bring back her character.

    Although they had a show in the works which could have featured her character as a ranger of the new republic, they had not signed her on to any contract. Case closed.
     

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