LOL you downplayed the most successful onshoring policy of our lifetime while claiming trumps universal tariffs on textiles from Bangladesh is a good move. The chips act accomplished more than his dumbass tariffs will cause while costing Americans no higher prices What a dumb low iq troll you are. @adoo
Lets clear the board and think about this differently. How do we become a significant MODERN manufacturing hub with a strong supply chain that extends deep into raw materials? Forget jobs. Forget the poors and gays and other special interest. Lets just focus on national security ... long term. 20-40 years out. Do you understand we have lost the high volume manufacturing skill set? Do you understand we simply do not have the knowledgeable people to run tens of thousands of highly automated businesses? Sure, we have enough for the hundred or so like Tesla, but not the super high volume that China puts out. Does this temporal map concern you? What do you think would happen if we got into a serious war?
you can't possibly be this willfully stupid! again, Bidenomics had secured the commitment from TSMC to build 3 large state-of-the art semi mfg facilities in AZ and smaller ones in Ohio. from TSMC website so far, Trump 2.0 has not done anything on building advanced mfg facility.
I don't understand how more people don't see through your bullshit. You're a slimy low life troll with no morals
Its just mind blowing how much this troll lies 24/7 on these forums. It's even more crazier that people take him seriously.
This will ultimately help Trump's new base of poors and dummies since he's essentially redistributing wealth. Socialist much? The mid upper class Americans who have been sustaining the economy for the past few years will have to suffer a bit with their stocks/assets taking a dive, but with AI killing white collar employment across the board, I doubt keeping the status quo is peaches and cream.
First off, the link doesn’t work for me, so I can’t comment on whatever it was pointing to. That said, what exactly do you mean by a "MODERN manufacturing hub"? Are we talking about advanced chip production, or more basic stuff like cups and plates? Those are very different categories. One requires a deep talent pool and high-end infrastructure, while the other is far more accessible. Are you referring to one end of that spectrum, or all of it? Let’s start by getting clear on that before diving into the rest of your questions. Also, just to be clear, this sounds like you’re trying to define the problem. I actually think we’re probably aligned more than not on the core issue. This isn’t about solutions yet, like a universal tariff or anything like that. We can touch on those later, once we have the problem defined properly.
The production yield at the newest TSMC factory in Arizona is HIGHER than their plant back in Taiwan. This bs notion that American workers are unproductive or we don't have the talent pool is absolute bullshit. You're giving into right wing framing
I am referring to anything that can utilize robotics, mechanical or AI (software). I am not referring to hand crafted. The human jobs we should be accruing is manufacturing engineers (from the initial design of robotics to build the product, to procurement of robotics, installation and maintenance). We need manufacturing that utilizes as little human labor to product the product. If we don't do it, China will. Then we need to work on the energy issue, which China is completely dominating the US. When it comes to the general topic at hand, I understand why and how we got here. However the world has greatly changed since then. Exporting USD for goods and service is not sustainable. At this rate, China will become the country who benefits from a near fully automated economy, not the US. Maps for reference since i screwed up the original link. (you seen it before)
That's great news. But you're jumping two steps ahead, while my discussion with SG has barely moved past step one - trying to understand what we're even talking about. BTW, TSMC Arizona brought over a thousand skilled workers from Taiwan because of the lack of skilled labor here. They also sent U.S. engineers to Taiwan for a year of training. The local talent pool wasn’t up to par and is still catching up.
What makes you think that with US’s higher labor costs, we wouldn’t automate more already? Also wouldn’t that put a lot of people out of work in China? I don’t see how China would necessarily benefit from being fully automated without the necessary policies to keep people employed.
Wrong. TSMC brought workers from Taiwan bcz they were used as a negotiation ploy with the local unions. TSMC execs are very anti union and did not like the prevailing wage clause in the Chips act and thus used foreign workers as a negotiating ploy with the local unions. They forced the local unions to take lower pay or else they would bring in foreign workers to handle everything Youre just buying into corporate greed bs that we don't have the talent pool. Absolute bullshit
