You are comparing Manu to Cam? Since when did Manu have attitude problems? How about looking into how much minutes he has given Amen Thompson as a 2nd year player. Or Tari Eason even though he also does stupid things.
Manu was offense only early in his career and prone to fancy passes that drove Pop mad, but he saw how over time he made a huge impact - so he learned to let Manu be Manu....and it made the Spurs better. DD
Comparing Cam to Manu is utter nonsense. Manu was a relatively mature 22 year-old when he started his NBA career instead of a petulant child like Cam. He was also coachable and willing to learn, unlike Cam, who is too cool for school and refuses to do what everyone else on the team does. When Manu joined the Spurs, Pop was also a hardball authoritarian who went volcanic on players, sometimes in public. He didn't suffer fools and was "old school" in every sense of the word. If Cam played for Pop, he might have been cut by now. The first thing that happened is Manu adapted to Pop. Once he submitted to authority and bought into their way of doing things, Pop cut him some slack. DD, it's laughable how you twist stuff to rationalize an opinion, but this comparison might take the cake.
So given that this appears to be kind of a lost season for Cam, and given that the rotation is only gonna get harder to crack as we focus on contending over development, it feels like moving Cam this offseason is a forgone conclusion. Because I can’t see the situation improving unless there’s a sea change with Cam’s play and attitude. I hope that happens but he’s lost so much runway, he’s not gonna have as much opportunity next season. So assuming we are offered a late 1st, do folks think Stone takes that and moves on, or do you think we’ll hold out for something more significant and just let him rot until we get a better return (or keep trying to develop him)? I’m betting we’ll take what we can get and move on (despite the immense talent) because we are moving into a win-now phase. Others agree?
Manu is among the top guards in NBA history for defensive efficiency. He was always an excellent team defender. No sure where this "offense only" coming from, unless we are talking about the different Manu here
The situations are different because the mentality of the players is different. One was an older, mature player who got with the program and then the coach grudgingly accepted his unique, creative style, while the current player is an infant sucking his thumb because he won't accept coaching. Don't forget this was the old Pop, not the later one. He regularly screamed at players, sometimes even during games (particularly Manu) and ripped them publicly, angrily. Udoka doesn't do that. Cam either would have quit on Pop early or gotten cut. Manu would follow Udoka's program just like the other 14 Rockets players have...Then you have Cam being defiant.
There is nothing wrong with holding players accountable and yanking them out, the problem is in NOT PUTTING THEM BACK IN THE game after correcting them, or not playing them. Ime should have played - all year - Cam and Reed over Holiday and Tate - we could have WON and DEVELOPED - and then coming into this summer of roster overhaul we would have raised their trade value and figured out whom to keep and whom to trade. We have enough info on our core 5, here is my assessment. 1. Amen - Keep at all costs 2. Sengun - Likely trade for a better fit 75/25 3. Green - 50/50 trade or keep 4. Jabari - Same as Green 5. Tari - Keep unless a massive deal happens DD
Saying manu for just offense is just flat out dull, manu was known for his defense when he was drafted with upside of a good player, he was already a super hyped pick during that draft, only thing kept him late was that foreign players didn't get drafted high yet, comparing situations with Cam and manu is just stupid, manu still played the right way, did what he was told, didn't throw baby tantrums like Cam, teams gonna stay away from Cam cause of his issues, but for DD blindly spit out stuff to look like it's rockets fault , this whole situation is on Cam and Cam alone, Cam was projected a top 5 pick before the draft and my friend who was at Villanova at the time, said to Cam was gonna eventually drop out of the first cause of his stubbornness, he's always been a me first guy, rockets took a chance on him but we definitely could have drafted someone more impactful, so many teams needed a player like Cam but all passed on him for his mental not for his play
Sounds like he won't be doing it in Houston, according to Codman, that bridge is burned. If he turns out to flop, no biggie, but if he becomes a very good NBA player, Stone and Ime should be fired. DD
GTFOH with this nonsense. If Stone and Ime should be fired, what about the other 19 teams that didn’t even bother to draft him? We at least drafted him and gave him a chance. He should be thankful and play with a chip on his shoulder. Instead he acted like an entitled and spoiled kid, pouting, not hustling, selfish chucking. Good riddance, if we do end up trading him. Oh and no biggie if he flops? LOL. You’re just gonna brush it off like that as if your man crush for CAM never existed? Nice try.
Cam either meets the coaching staff expectations and gets to play or he doesn't. This isn't children's basketball where everyone gets to play because your parents paid for that. This is the NBA where thousands of people's incomes and many careers are reliant upon your performance and ability to meet the coaches vision for success. I don't think Cam has the ability to see that and is only thinking about himself.
