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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Nov 25, 2018.

  1. Xenon

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    At this point I'll be happy with every poster being an actual poster. We all know that many of these "voices" are not real.
     
  2. Ottomaton

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    That's hilarious. The Weimar Republic had pretty solid protection of free speech and civil liberties in general. Especially so relative to the way it was under the Kaiser. It's your friends who came after that were into sending everyone they didn't want to hear from to the showers.
     
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  3. deb4rockets

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    I see those Trump and Putin Ukraine peace talks went in one of Putin's ears and out the other.

    Russian President Vladimir Putin has escalated his rhetoric on the Ukraine war, calling for the removal of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky and vowing to "finish off" Ukrainian troops. His remarks, delivered on March 28 at an Arctic forum, come as US President Donald Trump pushes for a ceasefire.


    https://www.livemint.com/news/world...for-zelensky-s-ouster/amp-11743170955321.html
     
  4. ROCKSS

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    Putin is not serious about this, and trump is too much of a cuck to hold his feet to the fire.
     
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  5. Invisible Fan

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    Trump gave away all his leverage upfront. Kursk is kaput because of him.

    There's zero reason for Putin to cede anything. He can sit with ceasefires or negotiations while he builds up for another offensive. The people believe sanctions don't work because of Trump, so even that isn't a big a card to play.

    It's better for him to push deeper now than break a treaty we know he will in 3-5 years.
     
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  6. Space Ghost

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    That was my point. Xenon is living it up right now when everything is going boom. Once his people get in power and kill everything including free speech, he will still do ok with the regime that is busy silencing and locking up people who disagree with him
     
  7. Nook

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    There is nothing that Trump can do from a strategic standpoint.

    He already has the Russians getting to keep territory based on his statements.

    He already has expressed concern publicly about WWIII if Ukraine keeps defending themselves.

    He has already dressed down Ukraine's leader in public and voted for Russian aggression at the UN.

    The very best Trump can do based on how he has played his cards is to try and distract from the whole Ukraine scenario and if Ukraine falls, blame Zelenskyy.

    He just assumed he would get massive concessions from Zelenskyy by bullying him and then get minor concessions from Russia.

    Well he has gotten NOTHING - but he has moved the floor up for Russia to the point that there is zero reason for Russia to not continue trying to take territory in Ukraine.

    I am sure Trump will continue trying to find some way to blame Zelenskyy and to get him replaced so he can force Ukranians to cower and do whatever Trump wants.

    So far this entire second term has been a fascinating, but in reality, shitty version of the game RISK.
     
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  8. Invisible Fan

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    If Trump is truly fearful of China, he can ask Putie for a rare earth and other metals (titanium) side deal since we're heavily boned one China ups their trade quotas.

    The numbers don't look good, and we've already given corporate waivers for Russian titanium.

    A win for us would mean doing a joint venture of mining titanium ores in the east.

    It'll make him look even more like a Putin gimp, but we've been asleep for the past 2 decades while China not only took control of resources through BRI but also become the global supply chain center.
     
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  9. Space Ghost

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    Zelensky is about 3 months away from CIA Operation: Blame a radical Ukrainian parent for assassinating Zelensky

     
  10. jo mama

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    LOL. you literally said that people who criticize trump should be arrested and sent to prison in el salvador.

    you would have done very well in nazi germany.
     
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  13. Space Ghost

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    More ukrainians dead. This is exactly what you war mongers wanted.
     
  14. DaDakota

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    NATO just needs to put boots on the ground and kick Russia out.....Russia is a paper tiger.

    DD
     
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  15. Invisible Fan

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    Much like people blamed biden for ****ing up Afghanistan from 45's Beautiful Planned Retreat, Ukraine losses are becoming more and more on Trump.

    I don't know if Donny agreed with Putin or had an understanding before we rug pulled Ukraine and Europe, but he better come off with a new agreement pronto before his credibility plummets further with any head of state.
     
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  16. Space Ghost

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    Trump stated from the beginning of his campaign he would end the war one way or another. Not exactly a rug pull. It is what Americans voted for.

    As long as this war goes on, Ukrainian deaths are inevitable. W/out the help from Americans digital dome, Ukraine is not able to keep on par Russian deaths.

    Keep in mind Zelensky keeps flip flopping on deal/no deal. If Zelenskyy doesn't grow the **** up quick, someone is going finish him. He is a complete disgrace.
     
  17. Amiga

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    Expecting Putin to make peace was a pipe dream. Either he is stopped, or he wins and takes over. I know you're not in favor of stopping him, so you’d rather see Putin win and take over Ukraine - for Ukraine’s own good, of course. Mucho caring.
     
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  18. Nook

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    LOL
     
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  19. Space Ghost

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    The probability tree is very distinct and defined at the beginning of the war. There are no surprises. NONE.

    Its very simple. Ukraine would never be able to drive out Russian forces w/out NATO troops.
    NATO troops = full european war.
    NATO falls apart because the nations with any remote rational thinking is not going to provoke a nuclear war over a corrupt Ukrainian regime.

    Ukraine is corrupt. Outside of Russia attacking and pissing off Europe (Again, not United States problem), nobody gave a **** about Ukraine. You only care because your political party tells you to care.
     
  20. jo mama

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    trump stated from the beginning of his campaign that he would end the war on day one.

    the rest of your post is just russian propaganda. you and trump are clearly on the side of putin.

    also, youre a fascist.
     

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