normalize it to what? It says "compares TS to its seasonal average" it is only for the year of the stat. The calculation for the formula also is jsut TS/the league TS for that year. You shouldnt use it for different years.
So now it's undeniable the piling on Jalen last week when he struggled a bit was premature. 15 more games to go + the playoffs.
If someone has a 55 TS and league average is 52, that’s great. If someone has a 55 TS and league average is 58, that’s bad. Do you understand that part? That’s why you normalize it to the average.
The average is different every year do you think the league average during Russell time and this year is the same? If you are comparing players in the same year you can use TS+ cuz they have the same league average. But if you are comparing players from diff years then you cant use TS+ cuz they played in different years and thus have diff average. They played in different conditions the average in 2018 is diff from the average in 2025 so just cuz Booker is 4% better than the average in 2018 doesnt mean he is also 4% better in 2025. You are over complicating things just use TS%. Plus one thing I have noticed with Devin Booker the reason his efficiency is high is because he takes a lot of fts. He averages 6 fta a game while Jalen only takes 4. That accounts for the ~5% gap in efficiency. So if Jalen gets more calls like what has been happening he will be more efficient than Booker cuz he is shooting 3s better than Booker and also finishing inside better than Booker. Booker has much much much better mid range game but I consider mid range the worst shot in basketball anyway.
You are just saying it backwards. If comparing in the same season you can use regular Ts. If comparing different seasons you have to use TS+.
I literally explained why lol. If you still dont get it keep rereading my post till you do. Is 24 yr old Bill Russell 4 pts more efficient than 28 yr old Devin Booker? I remember Russell played in an era where nobody knows much about basketball and he played against plumbers and roofsmen but according to you if we took Russell to present day he would be 4 pts better than 2025 Booker? Even you dont believe that, means your data interpretation is wrong. TS+ is a niche and borderline useless stat I've only seen you use it.
I would like to see Jalen raise his TS% to 56% for the season. Right now he is at 54.7% which while his career high is still within his career average of 54%.
Player A: 56% TS when league average was 52%. Player B: 56% TS when league average was 60%. Would you say player A was more efficient, player B was more efficient, or are they equally efficient?
Because the league always changes. Rules change, officiating changes, etc. Nba is obviously far behind baseball in understanding data and statistics. Larry Bird for example is generally considered a top 3-5 shooter ever, yet for his career he took like 1.8 3s per 36 at 37.6%. Those numbers today would make him be considered a non shooter, but for his time were elite.
You can't make that comparison because if you put Player A in the in player B league he could end up with worse TS+ because its a harder league. Similarly if you transported player B back to player A league he might be the best player in the world so he would have 65% TS and his TS+ would be 123 or something. This is what everyone is trying to tell you can't compare two different averages of two different years and then say they are the same.
Exactly so why you are looking at TS+ when it compares his efficiency to the league during his time? The league average player in Larry Bird time is worse than current day league average player so why are you using TS+ like it somehow adresses that? 24 yr old Bill Russell is ahead of his time so he has 108 TS+. You can't look at that and say he is 13 pts better than current Jalen Green who has 95 TS+ because if you took 24 yr old Bill Russell and plunked him to today's league without current training and knowledge he prob won't even make the GLeague. Not sure why you think TS+ is a good stat its a borderline useless stat.
That's what I should say to you. You don't understand and can't come up with a good rebuttal cuz you don't understand. It's like basic math if the denominator isn't the same you can't make a face value comparison.
Lol, right. I tried to explain, maybe i didn’t do a good enough job but idk any other way. No worries.
You are the only one misunderstanding this other people already told you you can't compare league average of different years like they are the same. Anyway we are already overtime on this the thread should be about JG.
Yup all good, i didn't explain it well enough. Look into it sometime if you're interested though, idk what basketball content you listen to but most stuff i like uses TS+ over TS since it's how you can compare different years/eras.
You have this backwards, TS+ is specifically for comparing players across different seasons. Think about it this way- In 1950 the league average TS was 43%. Imagine you have a dude on your team who scores 30 ppg at 50% TS. That's really good, right? That's going to be a dominant player, that guy is probably winning MVP, and your team is probably going to win a championship. The reason he would be so good is because he's scoring way more efficiently than everyone else. The key idea here is "more efficiently than everyone else" because efficiency is relative. When you call a player "efficient" it means he's scoring more efficiently than all the other players. This dude is 7% (percentage points) above the league average TS, which is crazy. But fast forward to 2025 and imagine a player with 30 ppg on 50% TS. If you have a guy taking enough shots in todays game to score 30ppg on 50% TS that team is going to win like 10 games all year. It's impossible to win like that because it's so inefficient. So instead of being the best player in the league (like in 1950), this guy would actually be the worst player in the league. That's because he's 8% (percentage points) below the league average TS, which is 58% in 2025. This is the purpose of using TS+, so you can see how good the guy actually was by comparing him to the rest of the league. If you just look at TS, both players have the same TS. That's not super useful to compare the two, it makes it look like they are equally efficient. But again, efficiency doesn't exist in a vacuum, it is relative to everyone around you. TS+ shows you that the first player has a TS+ of 116, that tells you he was really good, and scoring WAY more efficiently than everyone else. For comparison, Jokic has a TS+ of 115 this year, so it tells you that the guy from 1950 was dominating (from an efficiency standpoint) at roughly the same level as todays Jokic. The second player has a TS+ of 86 which is really bad! That's what the stat is meant to show you.
