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Damn, Caserio.....

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by hlmbasketball, Sep 18, 2023.

  1. zeeshan2

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  2. OKC_Texan

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    Anybody want to grade Nick's picks?

    2021
    3rd 67 Davis Mills QB
    3rd 89 Nico Collins WR
    5th 147 Brevin Jordan TE
    5th 170 Garret Wallow LB
    6TH 195 Roy Lopez DT

    2022
    1st 3 Derek Stingley CB
    1st 15 Kenyon Green G
    2nd 37 Jalen Pitre S
    2nd 44 John Metchie WR
    3rd 75 Christian Harris LB
    4th 107 Dameon Pierce RB
    5th 150 Thomas Booker DT
    5th 170 Teagan Quitoriano TE2
    6th 205 Austin Deculus OT

    2023
    1st 2 CJ Stroud QB
    1st 3 Will Anderson Edge
    2nd 62 Juice Scruggs C
    3rd 69 Tank Dell WR
    4th 109 Dylan Horton DE
    5th 167 Henry To'oto'o LB
    6th 201 Jarrett Patterson C
    6th 203 Xavier Hutchinson WR
    7th 248 Brandon Hill S

    2024
    2nd 42 Kamari Lassiter CB
    2nd 59 Blake Fisher OT
    3rd 78 Calen Bullock S
    4th 123 Cade Stover TE
    6th 188 Jamal Hill LB
    6th 205 Jawhar Jordan RB
    7th 238 Solomon Byrd DE
    7th 247 Marcus Harris DT
    7th 249 LaDarius Henderson OL
     
  3. J.R.

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    Nico, Stroud, Will & the secondary (otherwise meh)

    “Well geez, take away the best players and of course it’s meh! You can do that for every team/GM!”

    (Needed 2 WRs despite spending 3 top 100 picks on them and traded a 2nd for another; fans are begging for a new tight end; it’s not that they haven’t invested in the OL, they completely whiffed … but again, hit on the most important position, great WR, great edge, and a badass secondary…thanks DeMeco ;))

    2024 1-2 QB CJ Stroud
    2021 3-67 QB Davis Mills

    2022 4-107 RB Dameon Pierce
    2024 6-189 RB Jawhar Jordan
    2024 UDFA RB British Brooks

    2022 2-44 WR John Metchie
    2023 3-69 WR Tank Dell
    2021 3-89 WR Nico Collins
    2023 6-205 WR Xavier Hutchinson

    2024 4-123 TE Cade Stover
    2021 5-147 TE Brevin Jordan
    2022 5-170 TE Teagan Quitoriano

    2022 1-15 G Kenyon Green
    2024 2-59 OT Blake Fisher
    2023 2-62 C/G Juice Scruggs
    2023 6-201 C/G Jarrett Patterson
    2022 6-205 OT Austin Deculus
    2024 7-249 G LaDarius Henderson

    2023 1-3 DE Will Anderson Jr.
    2023 4-109 DE Dylan Horton
    2022 5-150 DE Thomas Booker
    2021 6-195 DT Roy Lopez
    2024 7-238 DE Solomon Byrd
    2024 7-247 DT Marcus Harris
    2022 UDFA DT Kurt Hinish

    2022 3-75 LB Christian Harris
    2023 5-167 LB Henry To'oTo'o
    2021 5-170 LB Garret Wallow
    2024 6-188 LB Jamal Hill
    2022 UDFA LB Jake Hansen

    2022 1-3 CB Derek Stingley
    2022 2-37 S Jalen Pitre
    2024 2-42 CB Kamari Lassiter
    2024 3-78 S Calen Bullock
    2023 7-248 S Brandon Hill
     
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  4. Buck Turgidson

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    Fisher and Scruggs are "whifs"?

    Patterson too?
     
  5. Marshall Bryant

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    Some people give up too soon. It's that immediate gratification thing. Last year at this time, some were declaring Stingley a whif too because he was injured. That's why I'm not through with Metchie or Hutchinson just yet.
     
  6. Buck Turgidson

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    Anyone drafted past the 4th round is not a whif or a bust.

    And yes, the Stingley vs that other guy conversations are hilarious in hindsight.
     
  7. Marshall Bryant

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    I like the 4th round cut-off for expectations. My very loose expectations are:
    1st - Immediate help/starter; 2nd - Immediate help/rotation; 3rd developmental - eventual rotation; 4th - developmental eventual backup
     
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  8. OKC_Texan

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    There's a reason PFF ranked our OL #29.

    29. Houston Texans
    Best lineup:
    LT Laremy Tunsil
    LG Juice Scruggs
    C Jarrett Patterson
    RG Shaq Mason
    RT Tytus Howard

    Not only did none of Houston’s young offensive linemen manage to improve, but some showed signs of regression in 2024. Out of the 11 players who logged snaps on the Texans' offensive line, eight earned PFF overall grades below 65.0 this season.

    The offensive line gave up 180 pressures — including 33 sacks — on 663 pass plays, leading to a 22nd-ranked 83.9 PFF pass-blocking efficiency rating.

    Best player: Laremy Tunsil
    Despite the struggles of those around him, Tunsil remained one of the best pass-blocking offensive linemen in the NFL. His 88.6 PFF pass-blocking grade ranked fifth among offensive tackles in 2024.
     
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  9. Buck Turgidson

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    Wow, you needed PFF to tell you that the OL sucked last year.

    I need some Madden rankings before I take any of that seriously.

    Also, in case you missed it, they fired the OC and OL coach, so some things may change
     
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  10. raining threes

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    2021- A+ Draft started in 3rd rd. Caserio found a superstat in Collins, Backup QB (Mills) Useful player (Jordan
    2022- C= Found a Star level guy in Stingley, 2 more solid starters (Pitre/Harris) ST's/backup guys (Peirce/Metchie/Deculus/Q. Loses points because of blown Green pick and spending a 2nd on a backup player Metchie
    2023- A+ - Star guys CJ/WA, Starters Dell and found late rd starters Patterson/Too Too, found good backup level players Scruggs (I know he'll probably be sarting next season) Horton/Hutch.
    2024- B+ - Found 3 starers 2 star level players (Lassiter/Bullock) and a starting RT as a rookie (Fisher), Stover should develop into a mid level decent TE in a couple of yrs. Rest of the draft was a whole bunch of nothing, should've tried to trade up some of those picks to add ST's contributors or another CB. Draft class gets knocked down to a B+ because of the bad luck Diggs trade and missing out on a star level player in BTJ.

    My Criteria is getting 1 star level player, preferably 2 and a couple of starters out of each draft. So 3 starters and a ST's guy or 2. 4 contributors.

    Over all I would say Caserio has done a fine job considering has been drafting for 3 different HC's with 3 different philosophies.
     
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  11. OKC_Texan

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    Why so abrasive?
     
  12. OKC_Texan

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    I appreciate your perspective brother!
     
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  13. Buck Turgidson

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    Probably this can of Comet I've been carrying abound in my pocket.

    Apologies.
     
  14. OKC_Texan

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    Thanks. No worries.
     
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    TFIW. PFF 24' rookie grades for Texans.

    Houston Texans
    Name Team Pos. Snaps played PFF Grade Rank at position
    Solomon Byrd Texans ED 20 74.9 N/A
    Kamari Lassiter Texans CB 906 74.7 5/21
    British Brooks Texans FB 9 56.5 1/1
    Cade Stover Texans TE 435 53.0 9/9
    Calen Bullock Texans S 1083 47.9 12/12
    Blake Fisher Texans T 478 44.6 13/13

    Edit to add screenshot.

    Screenshot_20250310_060439_Chrome.jpg
     
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  16. Buck Turgidson

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    I'd like to meet the 11 rookie safeties who were better than Bullock
     
  17. OKC_Texan

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    They have a list, but we don't need to see it to know that it's rubbish.
     
  18. raining threes

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    I'd like to meet 11 safeties in the NFL period.
     
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  20. OKC_Texan

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    I think Nick is doing great!
     
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