DEI gone wrong: Connecticut girl who graduated SUEs education system cause she’s illiterate

absolutely. This case has points worth discussing.

- how easy it is to cheat in HS with AI
- how high schools fail to educate kids, especially minorities.
- how high schools are measured by their pass rates in funding and other areas.
- how parents are failing their kids in education

A,azingly, @tinman and crew are so obsessed with culture wars and DEI they choose to rant about college admissions.

 

This sounds amazing for cap9ital owners? They love parents having to work 50 hours to meet basic needs so they can't learn about who is ****ing them over and can be easily propagandized to believe in the scapegoats like migrants and trans people.

The GOP doesn't want a educated populace. At this point I don't think Democrat leaders who have power do either. They like the situation of Americans having to work 70% of their waking hours doing work that removes them from self improvement, forming bonds with their children and learning things like economic systems.

King Louis XIV the Sun King built an entire royal palace just to make sure nobles spent every waking hour of their day having to deal with trivial formalities to not have time to care about plotting against the king.

Today the wealthy elite are trying to make Americans as busy as possible to meet basic needs because that removes them from self improvement and learning about how society functions.

"Anti-woke" narratives and spamming "DEI must DIE!" only works on a population suffering from brain rot and over working.

 

American workers don't have it as bad as you're making it as far as time. A lot of people like a lot of overtime and a lot of corporate workers are trying to distinguish themselves as the hardest worker

Edit Wealth inequality really isn't a problem, middle class workers are comfortable. The only issue with the super wealthy is corruption if there is corruption. That's the reason the wealth inequality message doesn't resonate

 

okay

 

This thread is such a distraction. Its a microcosm of what conservatives voters are actually worried about. Stupid culture wars, rather than quality of life.

 

My sister was upset that the chief of staff chairman was fired. I told her that there was no way Trump could keep him, he has a responsibility to his voters but my point is DEI is such a big deal to them.

I like having conservative posters here for no other reason than to have access to their echo chamber. I'm not watching Fox News and I wouldn't know either what a big deal this is in said echo chamber

 

I don't support any non merit based hiring or application acceptance whether academically, housing and or even any non paying positions. As a real estate agent I've accepted all types of clients even one's denied 7 times prior which I suspect was due to the couple being Muslim and that's on a personally owned property not a client's. I still ran the background, studied the application and income and to my findings everything checked out. They have been great for a little over 18 month's now. They were also the strongest application in my opinion, I was looking for a renter that could perform not a skin color or background I could "help"....

Do some home owners sometimes use a bias when renting perhaps even selling despite the fact that they shouldn't? sure, this is why the fair housing act exists.... To abolish discrimination and do you use see me complaining about the fair housing act? No, because its fair. Because its right. Because its a benefit to every party involved.

I'm not a school admin or higher up in a tech or aviation company. I don't hire people other than private businesses or entities doing work on my personal home investments. I'm sure there are discrimination regulations for hiring practices but when a company is freely putting out there that they are hiring based off of gender, color or background it seems to me like things have gone wrong.

Especially when the education system in general has adopted a very liberal mindset where identity politics and foreign affairs have taken center stage for many educators. You can't see how this girl probably was able to climb and academic latter while potentially not earning it? Is that not DEI? Did she not make it into UConn because of DEI? Whether she was accepted because of DEI itself is one thing but how she even managed to get herself there is for sure another and we both know what it might have been and likely was.

If you want to defend UConn's acceptance policy, algorithms and requirements when it comes to their student's then that's fine. But to completely ignore the underlying problem that has seriously hurt the very fabric of excellence we expect in this country is turning a blind a eye due to politics.

 

Do you honestly think DEI can help an illiterate person become a UCONN student?

DEI programs don't help totally non qualified people get into positions they can't handle

 

What does that have to do with DEI. You're just throwing **** against the wall because you're wrong.

Edit: she's not whistleblowing against UConn, she's suing Harrtford's school district

Did you realize that?

 

Lol

 

I’m willing to discuss if you are willing to be precise about things. Specifically, your point about “ignoring the underlying problem” and the roles of each person or entity involved.

UConn: I hope we are now at a point where we can agree that as to this specific case, UConn didn’t admit her based on DEI. I don’t point this out to ignore the underlying problem. I was simply saying that UConn had nothing to do with any underlying problem here. @tinman wanted to make this out to be a UConn problem, when they we in fact a victim of fraud here.

The woman’s high school: I think this is where the interesting discussion lies. I would like to know how it happened that this school gave this woman great grades if she couldn’t read. I would like to know how widespread this was. Whether it involved just minorities or they were handing out great grades to white people too. I would also like to know if the school’s administrators had incentive to inflate grades, pass rates, etc. Did the school get more funding? Did the administrators get higher salary?

I don’t pretend to know the facts that answer these questions. But I hope you would agree with me that these facts would drive the analysis of whether pro-minority or DEI policies or practices created this outcome. Similarly, I would hope that you would agree that concluding that this was a case of DEI without these facts is pure supposition.

Lastly, I will tell you I agree - IF the school’s administrators handed this woman high grades simply because she was a minority, and did not do so for white students, that would be problematic racial bias. Nevermind failure as educators. I just don’t have the data to judge whether they did this for white students as well.

 

Also, I would be curious. In your opinion, what is a bigger problem: DEI or country club/frat boy/sorority girl hiring/promotion practices?

To be fair to you, I will tell you my answer in advance based on my own my experience. Country club/frat boy/sorority girl hiring and promotion practices are significantly more problematic in corporate America and premier law firms. In these entities, white america controls the C suite, VP levels, executive partnership, and partnership decisions. White cronyism based on country club/frat/sorority preference is rampant. At the same time, DEI has caused companies and firms to hire and promote lawyers that I know are less talented, less qualified, less diligent. That is not to say all white executives or partners behaved that way, or all minority hires or promotions were undeserving.

DEI forces the country club/frat/sorority executives and partners to take action where they failed to for decades: the promotion of minorities who have been shut out even though they were qualified. DEI did that in an imperfect way. Certain minorities counted. Others did not. Some minorities who were promoted deserved it. Others did not and appear to have been promoted to meet a quota.

The end result was: (1) some busting up of the white country club/frat boy/sorority girl cronyism which previously promoted white people who were undeserving (good), (2) promotion of some minorities who were deserving but never previously had a chance (good), and (3) promotion of some minorities who were undeserving (bad).

 

The entire right wing dei narrative hinges on someone believing America before DEI that corporations hired based purely on technical merit where a single human on the planet is searched for as the "best possible candidate in existence" where zero social, racial and class aspects consciously or subconsciously were not considered in the process to find a candidate.

You saw it with Ketanji Brown Jackson where the routine talking point was about how specially finding a black woman to fill the role means the best possible human in existence to be a supreme court justice isn't going to fill that position now.

It relies entirely on a fake concept of someone being "the best possible candidate out of every human"

It's silly and I think most people who spread this stuff deep down don't believe t. It's just a way for them to express their racial heirarchy ideology with plausible deniability of being a white nationalist.

 

I would add - to the extent that a person is able to admit that corporate America suffers from extreme country club/frat boy/sorority girl cronyism, there is often an unspoken belief that the white cronyism is better than DEI because an underqualified white person is better than an underqualified minority.

 

I'm not arguing UConn accepted her based off of DEI, I'm more so arguing that DEI is how this girl got on the doorsteps of UConn to begin with. I don't have the documentation to prove anything from her academic standpoint to justify anything that I'm saying here and neither do you. So everything being discussed except personal account is speculation.

We can speculate thou, and we can agree that the education system has became widely accepted as mainly liberal and very left leaning. Perhaps its not the system itself that is liberal but the people that make up the system interjecting their personal beliefs with a heavy bias in classrooms. I don't think its far fetched to speculate this girl had some liberal teachers at some point in high school. I don't think its a stretch that at least a few teachers passed her based off of negligence while others possibly knew but would not fail her and empower the patriarchy.

Its not one person that dropped the ball, its roughly around 6-8 different teachers every year for 4 years just in High School..... And what have we gathered about the education system? That its favorable to Democrat representation and what has been a constant push by the left for the past 4 years? DEI....

I don't support non merit based hiring including white people, of coarse not. Look, I'm not denying that white people were favored in many positions for many decades but DEI was not and is not the solution. The only thing DEI did was put unqualified people in positions that they would not be able to hold because every single position at some point will require performance and competence.

With that said, I think DEI is a bigger problem in any industry with the exception of straight racism and segregation. Which actually did happen as part of American history and once abolished came back with aggressive and radical hiring practices in the name of DEI but in reality a way to stick it to white people that no longer even exist.

We don't want any type of race hiring period, but DEI was a massive mistake that took off because some of touch Democrats felt like it could play an enormous role in creating opportunities for their voter base and could further establish the Trump is racist agenda while Democrats can claim responsibility for bettering the lives of minorities.

Its backfiring today not because people are racist, but because the very concept was created for political gains and not equality in the workplace.

 

When has a unqualified person been hired because of DEI?


You understand when you say this you made a terminally inescapable white supremacist argument right?

Actually carry through this thought that someone unquailed got a job because of DEI. Like seriously use the matter between your ears and think about the logical conclusion of this statement of yours:


You literally are saying that not a single person of said ethnicity, gender, veteran status or disability exists in this country that is qualified for said job. That is the logical conclusion of that talking point. You do understand that right?

 

Another thing to add. Legality does not end discrimination practices.

What are the odds that a black woman is a Packers fan and loves V8 Camaros? Now the cross section of that type of person with those interests is probably like 90% white male. People hire based on "vibes". A white dude who had similar experiences and upbringings with similar hobbies will relate more to a white male interviewer and that will be part of the subconscious bias in selecting that person over a equally competent black woman.

Do you understand this concept? You can't end discrimination hiring practices through pure legality. There are subconscious decisions at play where someone isn't saying out right " I will not hire a black woman". That isn't how most discrimination works.

 

This a great example of how hiring happens. Everyone who gets to the interview is qualified

 

Yup. Even in technical jobs. For me, in my interviews applying for mostly entry level mechanical engineering jobs, the tests for technical competence occur before a face to face interview. Usually there might be a literal online test I had to take, or a video "technical interview" where the person just stuck to purely technical questions.

By the time I reach a in person interview, they already know my technical abilities. The in person interview is to size someone up in terms of their character and at that stage all the subconscious biases come into effect with aspects like like fitness, a full set of hair, height, race, dialect, culture etc come into play.