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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Nov 25, 2018.

  1. CCorn

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    Rumor is Trump isn't kidding around this time. People in congress said he PINKY SWEARED he'd impose bigly tarrifts on Russia!
     
  2. deb4rockets

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    Trump scares me. His insane enough start a nuclear war. God help us.
     
  3. Kemahkeith

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    He is insane.
    But I don't think he is that type of insane.
    im not saying he won't threaten it.
    But he won't follow through.
     
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  4. Rileydog

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    agree on the follow through. I mean he can’t even follow through on a tariff on Mexico and Canada’s.

    If he wasn’t already, Putin is laughing his ass off.
     
  5. Tomstro

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    This is pretty good wrap up. Leaves out the CIA backed coup. And all the money laundering corruption. And bio labs.

    USA/nato violated the treaty twice. They expanded nato and said they wouldn’t. USA didn’t protect Ukraine as promised.
    We signed a treaty and ignored it


    Biden and his neocon cronies made it way worse.

     
  6. tmacfor35

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    You people are pathologically insane when it comes to politics. Sports. Fun to talk with. Politics, you just say some wild ****.

    I obviously fit that mold to some, but some of us need to wake up.
     
  7. deb4rockets

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    Insanity depends on your interpretation. I consider a guy who has all the common traits of a psychopath to be insane. It has nothing to do with politics. If he called himself a Democrat he would still have those traits. That's why I call Trump insane. You might consider psychopaths the kind of guys you call sane, and fit to run a country. I don't. Now Vance I would just call a hypocrite and liar, but not psychopathic. He's just a big time Trump butt kisser. That's the difference.
     
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  8. Space Ghost

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    When Vance wins the 2028 election, you will call him the worst president ever.
     
  9. Amiga

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    Russia Is Losing the War of Attrition - The Atlantic


    Ukraine has no “cards” according to President Donald Trump, while Russia has many. Vice President J. D. Vance has asserted that superior Russian firepower and manpower mean that the war can end only in a Russian victory. Other supposedly realistic commentators agree, arguing that Russia’s advantages are insurmountable.

    As military historians, we think this a misreading not only of what is happening on the ground, but of how wars unfold—and, in particular, of the difference between attritional campaigns and those built on maneuver. The Luftwaffe and the German submarine force during World War II, to take just two examples, were defeated not by a single blow, but by a technologically advanced, tactically and operationally sophisticated approach that rendered those organizations, large as they were, unable to function effectively. In the same vein, the advances of the German army in the spring of 1918 concealed the underlying weakness in that military produced by attrition, which ultimately doomed the Kaiser’s army and the regime for which it fought.

    We have been here before. Prior to the war, the intelligence community, political leaders, and many students of the Russian military concluded that Russia would easily overrun Ukraine militarily—that Kyiv would fall in a few days and that Ukraine itself could be conquered in weeks. We should consider that failure as we assess the certainty of Vance and those who think like him.

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    The pause in American aid last year hurt Ukraine. Now, however, the stockpiles seem to be in better shape for most types of weaponry. Ukraine’s own production has reached impressive levels in certain vital categories, particularly but not exclusively unmanned aerial vehicles. In 2024, the Ukrainian military received over 1.2 million different Ukrainian-produced UAVs—two orders of magnitude more than Ukraine possessed, let alone produced, at the beginning of the war. Ukrainian production rates are still rising; it aims to produce 4 million drones this year alone.

    UAVs are crucial because they have replaced artillery as the most effective system on the field of battle. By one estimate, UAVs now cause 70 percent of Russian losses. Ukraine’s robust defense industry is innovating more quickly and effectively than that of Russia and its allies.

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    Despite American reluctance to provide further aid, Ukraine’s European friends can make a significant difference even though they cannot simply replace what the U.S. has been providing. They do not, for instance, make the advanced Patriot anti-missile system, although they have other capable air-defense weapons. However, Europe can help Ukraine press ahead with more UAV production; Europeans have the capacity to manufacture engines for long-range UAVs, for example, at a far higher rate.

    And some European systems not yet provided—such as the German Taurus cruise missile—could increase Ukraine’s advantages. Germany has so far denied Ukraine the Taurus, a far more effective system with greater range and a heavier payload than the Franco-British Storm Shadow/Scalp missiles. The new German chancellor, Friedrich Merz, has already said he would send Taurus missiles to Ukraine if the Russians did not relent. With these systems, Ukraine could add to the considerable damage it has already done within Russia.

    Attritional campaigns depend on an industrial base. The European Union alone has a GDP about 10 times that of Russia, and if you add the U.K. and Norway to that calculation, the imbalance in favor of Ukraine grows even larger. As it is, Europe and the United States have provided Ukraine with roughly equal amounts of its military resources (30 percent each), while Ukraine has produced 40 percent on its own.

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    Ukraine is not on the verge of collapse, and it is Russia, not Ukraine, that is losing the attritional war, which makes the Trump administration’s decisions particularly shortsighted and tragic. Ukraine has plenty of cards, even if Trump and Vance cannot see them. If America’s leaders could only bring themselves to put pressure on Russia comparable to what they put on Ukraine, they could help Ukraine achieve something much more like a win.
     
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    trump saying that Russia has all the Cards in negotiations is a red flag to me signaling when they do negotiate peace, Ukraine will be on the losing end of and trump wont push it...................but I thought he was the GREAT negotiator, hell he cant get the tarrifs right, I expect Ukraine to lose biggly and if they don't take the deal, he will flip back to being pro russia and tell them were done, bomb baby bomb.
     
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  11. Tomstro

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    I glanced at Facebook
    Had to flee… lol

    People posting pics of Z with King Charles to show how much More civilized they are than us. Gimme a break!

    Good idea idiots.
    The British crown is a collection of scoundrels.
    Thieves, colonizers, human traffickers, drug traffickers.
    True scum elitists
    Not to mention equally culpable in two world Wars. Villains.
    **** the crown and looking the other way while kids got diddled

    Hard pass from me.
     
  12. Kemahkeith

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    As a man married to an Irish Duel citizen I can convey she agrees with you on the Brittish part.
     
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  13. juicystream

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    Dude makes a lot of assumptions and leaves out a lot of information. But any excuse to defend Russia invading another country I guess.
     
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  14. Tomstro

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    What assumptions?

    just that he’s pretty sure that Z was warned?
     
  15. Tomstro

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    So many American elitist libs fawn endlessly over the royal family. These are the same people who always feel the need to apologize to Europeans for being American.
     
  16. Invisible Fan

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    Kotkin made a good observation how Libs love Europes values but hates the whiteness of Euros (and what it means), while Cons love the whiteness of Euros (and what it means) while hating their values.

    Much like how America originally came from European blood. Our values, laws and customs orginally came from European traditions. It's just that we Americans have a tough time accepting the whole of it.

    A lot of cognitive dissonance in our hate or resentment against Europe...


    P.S. For the love of baby Jesus, please stop relying on Tucker Carlson slop interviews for facts. You know who you are.
     
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  17. Space Ghost

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    Lol. Ukraine lost a long time ago. US, Europe and Russia are deciding how to carve up Ukraine. We did the same thing in WWII
     
  18. AleksandarN

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    Wtf. Trump openly admitted what I said out load. Basically admitted that he is helping Russia get an advantage. This sad and pathetic.

     
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  19. juicystream

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    Wants to get it stopped and settled
    Hitting them harder

    So he means finish off Ukraine as the way it gets stopped and settled?
     
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