GOP Proposes $4.5 Trillion Tax Giveaway to the Rich, CUT MEDICAID AND FOOD STAMPS

Thank you - you nailed it and put it is simple terms. I do not doubt he is a good person and citizen, but he is off and seems to be oblivious to it.

 

Not really- because it means nothing.

 

Not really, and certainly not in combination with other funding options.

Then the people don't value having such a military.

One could consider it so. That doesn't mean it isn't a non-tax method of having a military. You can also have a volunteer militia.

No, because use fees can be avoided by not using the product. A toll is not a tax, because you only pay it if you use the toll road. A park entry fee is not a tax, because you don't pay it if you don't use the park.

That is not a use fee, because you are not using the military.

Sure, if you want to pay a fee to get welfare to fund welfare, you could fund welfare with use fees. They would cancel each other out, so there wouldn't be any point to them, but you could theoretically do it.

You would pay for the prisons through fines.

 

I'm middle ground and agree with some of what you say, and did vote Republican until after Trump's first term, but also believe that some of what you say is wrong. That's my opinion.


Everyone sees things differently, especially with Trump's first term and after, and for me it was a horrible time. The constant lies and absolute ignorance coming out of Trump's mouth, the rallying of no maskers and the hate and violence being inflicted against innocent people trying to do their jobs during a deadly pandemic sickened me. I cried a lot seeing nurses and hospital workers pleading for people to isolate, and seeing all those poor people dying in makeshift hospital tents like a war zone. Then, to see Trump prance around the country rallying everywhere and encouraging crowds, without showing an ounce of empathy for the dying sickened and disgusted me. Then the whole BS steal the vote nonsense started, and the lies and lies and inciting innocent people believing the lies.


Trump is a sociopath incapable of telling the truth or admitting defeat. Jan 6th was the final straw for me. As a 20 year veteran he disgusted me. His MAGA sidekicks disgusted me by not impeaching him. I decided then I could never vote Republican again. It's now a Trump brown shirt party with an old grifting sociopath leading the madness. It's even worse now that the richest man in the world glued to Trump, and acting like our leader has billions and billions of government contracts. It's just all so corrupt.


There is nothing worse in my eyes than putting trust in a pathological liar to lead the country. I don't trust him. It's that simple. I certainly don't trust him with our national security, and believe he would sell his soul to the devil if the price suited him. I do believe he'd love to rule like a Dictator, and don't believe he gives a damn about Democracy. I believe every decision he makes has one stipulation. What will that do for me and my business? That's what I believe. He's neck deep in conflicting interests with his own personal businesses and future business quests abroad, whether it's in Saudi Arabia, Israel, Russia, or the Gaza Strip. I don't like the idea of a President using their personal property and business as his prime headquarters to wine, dine, and make money off of jacking up the price for memberships and lodging for donors, lobbyists, foreign leaders, or anyone else to come make a deal and play a game of golf. It's just another way for him to profit his family business, and put the money charged the government to house security and staff back into his own piggy bank.

 

I agree 100% about denouncing extremism. It should never be accepted regardless of whether the extremists are left or right. All Presidents should keep their politics aside, and denounce all extremism. The same goes for hate groups, and foreign leaders who commit crimes against humanity. We should denounce those acts and their leaders. I see a huge difference in how Trump acts regarding rmthis compared to Biden. You have to admit that Biden denounced violence over and over, regardless of who the perpetrators were.

Trump has always been different that way. I find it disgusting when he treats hate group leaders as Patriots. Nobody in a hate group should ever be called a Patriot. He makes a big showing of someone raped, hurt, or killed by an immigrant, black, or browned skin person, but have you ever seen him or all his MAGA brownshirts wear shirts with the photo of a black man tortured or killed by white cops or a gay man killed or tortured by a gay bashing white man?

Our President and politicians need to condemn all violence and extremism equally, without bias or prejudice. They should denounce all hate and extremist groups, and condemn all foreign leaders who commit genocide, human rights violations, and torturing and killing of innocent people.
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The ability to purchase American Citizenship . ..er. . . Jump the line for 5 Million Dollars is wild

Rocket River

 

Believe me, there are scammers and grifters of all races, all colors, and all levels of income. Some of the biggest scammers of all are white collar criminals. Trump surrounds himself with white collar criminals. Lots of politicians do.

I don't believe in long-term government handouts either, but I do believe in lifting people up in hard times temporarily. I don't consider that Communism. There are too many who abuse the system and those types need vetted far more closely. Far, far too many people get disability and unemployment checks who are perfectly capable of working for a living or getting a job. It's a big scam for the lazy ones, and it's always the hard working taxpayers who suffer most in times of personal hardships. Whether they are laid off or whether a hardship occurs that takes a toll on them so bad mentally or physically they have to quit their job. Those types can't get assistance because they made too much that year to qualify for assistance.

It's a screwed up system that needs fixed, especially with the cost of healthcare and prescriptions in this country. It's out of control, and nobody should have to die or become homeless because they can't afford healthcare, and have to choose between selling all their possessions, draining their retirement savings, or driven to homelessness or poverty to get help. If there is one single thing I believe our country should change, it's that. I do believe that a great nation reflects how it treats it's people, and not just how much money they rake in. I believe in healthcare for all, or at least affordable healthcare, just like most Western world countries do.

 

It's not just wealthy inequality in itself. We also need to stop coddling billionaires, oil barons, and corporate giants with favors and tax breaks when they skew all their profits to the top, and get away with safety violations, labor violations, environmental violations, and discriminate practices. We need better labor laws to lift up the hard working Americans from poverty, and strict regulations to ensure those working for or living near those companies aren't being endangered from unsafe environments. Cutting regs only favors the wealthy, and harms everyone else. Regulations stem from people dying, being poisoned and sickened by chemicals, working in unsafe environments, or being abused mentally or physically to make a living. We need to protect the people, and the workers, instead of coddling and rewarding the bosses.

 

What I’ve noticed is that there is a certainly psychological appeal to conservativism… like you have to be wildly overconfident in your own abilities to believe you that you are actually special.

When really, despite your LinkedIn profile saying you are a founder and president of a genomics company… you really just sell supplements.

 

I'm white and grew up middle class. My parents both grew up in Nebraska on farms. I was raised with hard working values and served my country for 20 years, and believe me, I've met plenty of other hard working people from all walks of life who could dispute some of your opinions in a heartbeat. I'm talking people who grew up terrified of cops, had crosses burn in their yards, had brothers wrongly imprisoned, and so on. These were good honest hardworking shipmates from my Navy days. I'm not sure where you get the idea that the highest demographics of wealth in our country are non whites, when it's white caucasions and Asians.

Regardless, decades of racism can't be ignored. We still have a huge problem, but are on the right track, as long as our leaders stand up for civil rights, injustice, and make it illegal to discriminate. The sad part is that it's hard to prove, and always has been. It went overboard in some ways with DEI, but it's also a pertinent issue. We still have millions who have grown up in families who weren't given the same chance to succeed in life as white kids, and the cycle continues. We still have to find a balance, but certainly don't need to get back to the days when employers, schools, neighborhoods and businesses could ban blacks, or when cops turned a blind eye to lynchings. The scary part is hearing that there are still racist cops out there beating the **** out of people and getting away with it. Racism is an ugly ugly thing, and nobody in our country should have to be scared to be a victim of it, because of their skin color, sexual preference, or ethnicity.

This chart helps explain the wealth gap nine different ways, and it's pretty eye opening. I wish more people understood why it's still a struggle for many people of color to overcome, especially the older adults.

Nine Charts about Wealth Inequality in America

https://apps.urban.org/features/wealth-inequality-charts/

 

I'd prefer boosting Americans with incentives and means to produce and sell American products over gifting rich foreigners citizenship to profit in our country. That isn't benefiting the Americans here already, who want to do the same thing, but are driven out of business or don't have the means to compete with the wealthy. It certainly doesn't help address the dividing wealth gap.

 

Firstly, you have lost the plot if you think slavery is worth bringing up right now.

Yes, people could become financially selfish enough to doom the nation with this system, people may also object to paying for a service that others are receiving without paying for. Which brings me to this

Everybody in this country is protected by the military, of course we're all using it? The service is for the military to be prepared to protect all of us at any given moment. Thats a security guard, it's a home alarm system. Those things have to be paid for even if they aren't actively used by me any given year.

But if a fee is put on all roads public roads and or all harbors, this makes the fee unavoidable for many people unless they were to significantly change their lives to the point of it being unreasonable to make a living or to function.

Like... You don't have to make money? Income tax is officially avoidable, and therefor not a mugging?

It could be structured in the way that greatly redistributes the money though. For example, fed gov could slap a big fee on all air travel to pay for food stamps. Very poor people rarely go on flights. Is this fee then not a mugging to buy the poor a sandwich? Guess not since flights are avoidable… for some.

Sounds like a way to ensure the police are hyperactive in giving fines... no problems there. What if people with money behave almost entirely lawful, and people without money behave almost entirely unlawful, there could be a large prison population, with no money to extract for the prisons?


These don't seem like better functioning, more ethical, more free, or more practical ways to fund things over a progressive income tax system. IMO.

Like I've said before, an OPT-out sovereign citizen fun box type reserve could be a really cool experiment, the thought that a nation of 330+ million should jump into that, when it's not done successfully anywhere in the world right now, seems like a wild idea. This idea should start isolated and small and if it has success, expand it.

 

It's been going on for a while now

 

You scare me more than actual criminals do.

 

You brought up slavery, not me.

People can and should object to being compelled to pay for a service that others are receiving without paying for. That is the whole point. It is immoral to rob me so you can go to school.

That is why use fees don't really apply to the military, and one of the many other options I listed would be more appropriate.

Yes, people would not be able to use the road or harbor without paying the fee which maintains the road or harbor. I fail to see why you would object to that, but be okay with taxing people to pay for the road or harbor just because they make X dollars per year, regardless of whether they use said road or harbor. Your entire philosophy is based on robbing people to pay for other people.

You are not getting anything from then government in exchange for your income tax. You are taxes because you made money. Therefor it is not a use fee, it is a taking. If you can't tell the difference between a park entrance fee or toll road and income tax, then I don't think you are able to participate in this conversation.

The avoidability of the fee is not what makes it not a tax. A use fee is when you are charged for using a service and the money pays for that service. A fee on air travel to pay for air traffic control would be a reasonable use fee. Food stamps have no relation to airline tickets.
[quote[Sounds like a way to ensure the police are hyperactive in giving fines... no problems there. What if people with money behave almost entirely lawful, and people without money behave almost entirely unlawful, there could be a large prison population, with no money to extract for the prisons?[/quote]
Then prisons would rely on voluntary donations. There are cheaper alternative punishments if we cannot afford to house prisoners.

I understood that to begin with.

It started in the United States in 1869 and worked fine for 63 years.

I am very scary, because I believe in individual freedom. Nothing is more dangerous than a free man.

 

Is everybody going to get a taxcut? Yes they are. The biggest difference for the middle class is the no tax on overtime/tips. Everything else is just class warfare, a typical lib talking point.

 

Yep, Trump doesn't care about the midterms (He did his 1st POTUS and you see where that got him) He's going to try to get everything done in 2 yrs that most POTUS cant get done in 4 years. I wouln't bet against Trump on this because he's had 4 years to think about the people he wants in place to carryout his policies as quickly as possible. Look at the first 30 days as an example and he's just getting started. After all he did this with the Dems slow walking his cabinet nominees.

 

The vaccines were a lie, the election was stolen by a plague that was created by Fauci in China and approved by the globalists in this country, both old guard GOP and the Dems so they could retain power. It only cost millions of lives for the globalists to retain power. You may not believe the election was stolen, but I would ask you to look at the voting results in each state in the 2020 election and you will realize that the 2020 election was an anomaly that's never happened before or since when it comes to elections. You may believe in coincedences, I dont.

 

Wow.

You are literally, quite literally, totally insane, mentally ill insane, if you really believe what you posted above.. You're not QON...You're QONONE braincells.

"Adios, Mofo" -- Rick Perry

 

No, you're scary because you're the type of person who as an adult would re-read an Ayn Rand book.