GOP Proposes $4.5 Trillion Tax Giveaway to the Rich, CUT MEDICAID AND FOOD STAMPS

It's going to be interesting to watch all the Republicans try and justify why they are worthy of the people's votes in elections down the road. They are all just as accountable as Trump for what's happening now, and flip flopping like the hypocrites they are down the road isn't going to change the truth. They should have impeached his sorry traitor as* after Jan 6th. They should have voted no to all these BS appointments Trump has made. They should have stood up against all the lies spewed by Trump and Musk non-stop.

Nope. They are all part of the problem. They sit back and watch some unelected narcissistic drug crazed right wing billionaire from South Africa run the show, like he's the leader of our country. I'd never consider voting for any of those boot licking Republican as*holes in the future unless they had the balls to vote to stand up for our Western Allies, impeach Trump, and stand up against the corrupt Dictators who violate human rights, commit genocide, torture people, and unjustly imprison people. North Korea and Russia aren't the good guys, regardless of what Trump says. They should have seen this coming, and even when that sociopath with the orange face keeps getting crazier with power they enable him.

Democracy is better than having an Authoritarian or Dictator as the leader. The Republicans should be standing up for the people of our country, instead of coddling the greedy oligarchs and dictators of the world, who don't give a rat's ass about people, science, healthcare, civil rights, poverty, the wealth gap, climate change, and the environment.

 

I protect constitutional rights professionally. There is no Constitutional right to Medicaid or food stamps. What are you talking about? I am the one arguing for a return to a Constitutionally limited government.

I provide for people completely unrelated to me, you know nothing.

Libertarians average higher intelligence in testing that other political philosophies. Sorry to break it to you. Communists do not, but anyone could have told you that.

No, I just have principles. It used to be foundational that you don't take from one person to give to another.

I am not concerned about having a thriving consumer base that benefits businesses. Businesses will adapt or die as they face whatever conditions arrive. It is the big government people that meddle in those outcomes. Crime, violence, and riots are all volitional acts, and I won't excuse them by blaming wealth inequality.

You need to be more consistent in your argument. In this same quote, you said I was an edgelord.

Communists are pathetic. You want to be taken care of and complain about how unfair it is that other people have more than you. No amount of fear will convince me that communism is correct and that it is actually a good thing to take from others by force.

They are the same discussion, just different examples. The cobalt/murder example was government doing something you disagree with after taking your money. The giving a sandwich to a homeless person was government doing something you disagree with after taking your money. The mugging was government taking your money by force. The correct answers are that the mugging is wrong, no matter what you do with the money afterward (utilitarianism is a bad moral philosophy), and that no matter who is in power doing the mugging, they are going to do stuff with the proceeds that you don't like (the best steward of your money is you).

 

that's inconvenient

 

So you say, I've met my share of crooked DA's.

Anyways, Constitution gives Congress the power to make laws. Congress passes legislation for programs such as Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and Food stamps. President signed those bills making them the law of the land. You're mad because tax dollars go to the poor and disabled. You want children working in the factories and the disabled to die off. Need an ambulance? House on fire? Mugged walking out of the store? Enforcing a court order against another party? Public education? None of it can be done without taxation. That's your utopia as I said chaos and anarchy...

 

career criminal?

 

Dude wants to live like it's 1776 with only 3 million Americans who are 95% farmers. Back when people had slaves for cheap labor. Now we have 10,000% more people, 95% who are not farmers, with businesses being driven into bankruptcy because they can't compete with the millionaire corporations, healthcare that's not affordable, and a handful of people with more wealth than the rest of the nation, and ensuring they keep it that way. Taxpayers deserve more than they get for their labors.

 

Again this is not close to the original discussion point but what you have altered it to after the fact. If you don't think thats an honest assessment of the conversation perhaps try giving it a second read, I try to be as honest and straightforward as I can on this board when I'm not shitposting.


If you already have the correct answers for the strawmen I'm not sure what I can add to it for you, or have an open discussion about. I don't find taxes to be akin to mugging (although I agree mugging, and murder are BAD) and the conversation on that hypothetical kind of falls apart upon that disagreement.

Labeling utilitarianism as bad is extremely broad, just because it's a philosophy you are drawing comparisons with for me doesn't mean it has to be THE all encompassing one for me. Like with any philosophy, I can take value in and agree with certain aspects of it, and disagree with others aspects of it.

Again you are painting boxes here to make this discussion streamlined, if you already know what I am (philosophically, politically) and how you feel about that, then, well...

 

So here's a more interesting discussion to have @StupidMoniker

If taxes are mugging, and if you have stated you'd still want a national military, law enforcement, prison system, how are those funded?

 

What is your solution?

 

That's what you got from a post asking for solutions? Constant sensationalism is off putting. I look for solutions since the same ol complaints get nowhere.

Wegovy is over $1000/month in this country, vs $90/month in Germany and China. You must ask WHY. Where does it go/ Then you simplify it into a concise point to relay to Americans instead of ... "MIDDLE MEN". Health insurance should be subsidized to an extent but it doesn't have to be so expensive. That money isn't going directly to the doctors.

 

First of all I think political donations should be limited to $10,000 per person, business, or corporation to any candidate as well as $10,000 to any party organizations combined, and all PACs should be abolished. I know it will never happen though because most politicians are power hungry and greedy. That would help alleviate political favors to certain people or businesses, and gives more candidates a fair chance of running for office. I'm sure there are good people who are brighter, more educated, more ethical and trustworthy, and more capable of running the country than the choices that usually come from people growing up with wealth and have wealthy friends.

It's always been a problem, but it's out of control now with the rich and corporate conglomerates and oil barons on their way to becoming oligarchs, and having millions to buy their way into the White House, or to bribe the Presidents. I think lobbying is just another form of corruption as well. It's all so shady, but it's only going to get worse in the wealth divide. I also believe there should be an age limit of 70 for Presidents, Vice Presidents, Supreme Court Justices, Senators, and Congressmen. I believe in term limits for the Supreme Court, and believe it should be equally split between Republicans and Democrats and should not be a partisan court.

I can't change the fact that we have a pathological liar and con as President who is bought and paid for by a group of billionaires. I also can't change the fact that the Republicans have pushed forward a bunch of liars and loyalists into appointments, when they certainly aren't the most qualified candidates to do the jobs.

I am huge on fair and equal justice for crimes, and that includes money laundering, tax fraud, cyber crimes, bribery, and other white collar crimes. I can't change the fact that Trump has put partisan lying loyalists into the highest positions of justice and to stop any investigations of his criminal acts past and future. I think it's insanity that some unelected South African drugged up nutjob with billions in government contracts has full access to highly sensitive information, bought his way into the White House, and is acting like he's the leader of this country.

It's crazy that Republicans sit back with their cowardly tails between their legs, like muzzled dogs, doing absolutely nothing to stop the madness. They sit back and watch Trump flat out deceiving people, and don't speak up. They sit back and watch him embrace Putin like he's some great guy, while spitting on and denouncing leaders of countries who have always been our Western allies. It's as sickening as lying hypocrite and tin foil hat longtime heroin and drug addict RFK Jr as the head of the Department of Health, or the butt kissing Kush, who wrote a children's book about Trump the King, followed him around dressed just like him to his trial, echoed his lies for months, getting crowned as the head of the FBI.

There is absolutely no integrity or ethics in the top positions. Just lying loyalist brown shirts, Trump defense lawyers, right wing media hosts, podcasters, conspiracy theorists, election deniers and billionaires.

I don't think anyone with the authority to hire or fire Americans or to make policy decisions in the White House should be allowed to receive government contracts for their own private business, or make money off their private businesses as President, politicians, advisors, or appointees. It leads to corruption.

What would I do? Far too long of a list, but I sure as hell don't agree with censoring reporters and media, or limiting access to press briefings to loyalists only. I believe is separation of church and state, and believe in allowing weather reporters, journalists, or government agencies to speak about climate change or science without fear of retribution from the crazy guy in the oval office who spews utter BS about science and global warming, and wants to censor the others. I can go on and on but it's pointless. It's all the congressmen and senators that need to stop enabling that as*hole to do whatever he pleases, knowing damn well it's dangerous and stupid. His lies and the echo chamber brown shirts repeating the lies are putting people at risk, our national security at risk, and our environment at risk.

Tax the wealthiest at the highest percent, and the poorest the least to start with. Get rid of the most abused and shadiest tax loopholes. Start making an effort to address the wealth gap and lift people out of poverty by addressing the cost of healthcare, addressing the price gouging pharmaceutical industry, and taking care of the sick, poor, and mentally ill, so they can be productive and contribute to society. Slap those spewing toxins into our air and water with huge fines, and not slaps on the wrists. Go after the employers of illegal immigrants the hardest, not the illegals. It's like locking up the drug user but giving the dealer a less harsh punishment. It makes no damn sense. Take better care of the veterans who gave their lives to defend this country. I get so sick of those political sleazebags in suits treating veterans as bad as they do, and the highly understaffed VA hospitals and support services. We need to make stricter gun laws, I can go on and on, about addressing guns laws, gun violence, poverty, civil rights, our tiered justice system, discrimination, racism, cyber bullying, extremism, politicians inciting extremists by spewing propaganda and lies, but I am gonna stop. This is all so toxic, with the toxic man as President.

 

Lots of options. Use fees, voluntary payments, unpaid mandatory service, sales of military assets to foreign powers, harbor fees, etc. The national prison system would be so negligible as to be non-existent, as almost all federal criminals are currently serving terms for things which would no longer be federal crimes.

I'm happy with anything before FDR but after emancipation. 1776 is 13 years before the Constitution, which I have referenced a lot, so I don't know where you came up with that date. I have also posted repeatedly about freedom, so I don't know how you came up with any date that had slavery. How about any time between 1869 and 1932? In 1932 the population was 125 million, the US was a global superpower, there were major corporations, and the population was down to 25% farmers (which was necessary because they didn't have the technology we have now).

I absolutely agree with you that taxpayers don't get enough return on their taxes, we are just talking about different groups of people. About half the country are net-zero or less taxpayers. It is the people who get very little from the government that are footing the bill.

It is because we have such a large and powerful government that anyone is willing to spend that kind of money on elections. If we were doing what I am talking about, no one would donate nearly $10,000 to any party organization, let alone millions. If you want to get money out of politics, you do it by reducing the importance of politics. All the Democrats were fine with the Supreme Court for almost a hundred years, now it is all of a sudden a problem that needs to be changed.

 

So if foreign nations decide to stop buying our assets our military crashes? Seems like a conflict of interest as a pillar for military funding.

What if these donations don't meet the needs of the military to protect the nation properly?

Thats not ... slavery?

Jeez can we go back to getting mugged?

Is this not a form of tax? If everybody has to pay an annual military fee... seems like a flat tax. If it's on a specific sector like habors, seems like an industry specific tax. Basically mugging people every time they want to use the harbor no?

If not a tax/mugging, can't we just use national or industry specific fee's to fund things like welfare?

Okay but what about state/local prisons, if they should impose taxes is that not mugging as well? What happens to state and local taxes in a StupidMoniker world?

 

Just glad someone here posts something sincere with proposed solutions!

Id say you're on the right track when it comes to politics , but you have to look at how the messaging goes through. The far left went overboard and now the other side uses that as precedent to go overboard.. and the Americans caught in the middle shrug cuz life sucked hard under Biden. Bribes like student loan payoffs didn't help the majority and added to inflation. Scams like BLM and DEI promotions like Claudine Gay causes the middle to shift to the right.

Both sides are corrupt as hell but the real danger is when they become more extremist, hurting the middle. If you want people to focus on the core issues, denounce extremism. Huff Po is an extremist rag, they deserve to be banned quite frankly. There's no one to call them the left equivalent of neo nazism every day so they get away with alot. The media should be neutral and let people make the decisions if they want to bring back trust. Because right now it is not there on both sides -- rightfully so

Ultimately we will have to shift to fiscal responsibility (not free wheeling handout after handout) for common sense to win and go away from authoritarian leaders... in that sense, cutting down govt spending is the first step. Then you have a base to point out wealth inequality and the need to eliminate tax loopholes for corporations and very very wealthy. At the same time, communism is scary. resources for unvetted Illegal immigration causes any nation to collapse. Obsessing about racism and discrimination, when the top earning demographics are all non white and America is the most sought after country to immigrate to in the world, show that it's not the issue the media wants it to be. You also have puppet professors making up studies to try to make it a big thing. When the left goes back to facts over narrative, then American can get back to a healthy place. And they'll naturally not want the next Prez to be like Trump.