yup it’s almost to the point I can tell when he misses…if he fades back slightly he always front rims it… when he on balance he’s a lot more accurate. need him to get his legs right, so he can get back to finishing at rim… he hasn’t tried to dunk on anyone in ages
the exciting thing about Green is that there is still so many ways he can improve his game. god forbid if he ever learn how to shoot a floater.. that would make him damn near unguardable. not sure he has the touch for it though...
I think Jalen has pretty good touch and can improve from there--when he's feeling it, his three point shots are very very pretty to look at because of the backspin he has and how cleanly the ball goes through. He also has pretty good feel on some of his tough layups, I think the reason he misses a lot of them is because he's still on the slimmer side for an NBA player, but he can make tough shots despite that limitation. Here's to hoping he becomes a float god soon
Hopefully now that Detroit is in the playoff mix in the East and Cunningham is averaging 26, 10, and 6 on decent efficiency people around here will start giving him some credit. I feel like there was a lot of cope going on bashing this dude after we didn't land #1. He's clearly better than JG, unfortunately.
It's roughly the same scoring efficiency as Green currently. He averages more than double the turnovers. Cade is definitely having a better season but I'm just bringing context to you just putting up the basic box score numbers. Its closer than the face value of compare ng 26 10 5 to 22 3 4. And given that Green like Cade is a rhythm player in the sense that they need to constantly feel the ball, constantly feel the dribble to get a rhythm, the heliocentric offense in Detroit benefits Cade's numbers. Green in a similar situation would probably average the same amount of ppg as Cade maybe on slightly better efficiency, average more turnovers than Cade probably and probably around like 6-7 apg instead of 10. Again, Cade is absolutely better as a player now. I'm just providing context to suggest its closer than the face value box score. Also narratives change so much just based on playoff performance. So all these stats can go out the window of fails his first playoff series and Green goes feugo his first playoff series. Basically I'm saying it's way too early in their careers. We haven't even gotten to the part of their careers where we can form narratives about if they are playoff chokers or performers.
I agree Cade has a larger role and more opportunities to create for himself and others, but I don't see why you'd think Jalen's efficiency would go up in such a situation. I expect he would average more points and assists than he does now, sure, but his efficiency would likely drop on a less-talented team and facing even more defensive attention. They're probably not far apart as scorers, but I do think Cade is has more talent as a jump shooter. The big differentiator is playmaking. Cade is a natural point guard, vastly superior court vision and passing ability. That's something JG will never be.
We should be able to like our player without having to play mental gymnastics with comparisons to All Stars like Ant or even Cade. Jalen has similar game + perhaps better upside to both players but it's just taking him more time to achieve those same levels of production/ recognition. Weighing 178 lbs coming into NBA he's had to work on his body much more while Ant + Cade could focus wholly on improving just their game.
Steph Curry is the only player besides Green that is top ten on these two lists. That's more of an indictment of the scoring talent around Green than Green being Steph Curry level. Amen might be a bit more advanced than Asur and Detroit doesn't have a high usage offensive big man like Sengun but they also don't usher in line ups with Cade surrounded by two abject non shooters who are a large part of the team offense. Cade plays a lot more 5 out offense and doesn't have a center constantly trying to fight for some post position clogging the driving lanes. So the spacing in Houston is worse than Detroit. And like I said, Green and Cade are the type of players who probably are more efficient when dominating the ball. Have them sporadically have touches and stand around and waiting for shots, the worse their efficiency probably becomes because they are played who require the feel of the ball through touching and handling the ball.
You've been posting this list a lot, but I don't even know how to reference "gravity" scores or what makes up the statistical components of these metrics. I'm not really willing to take it at face value just because of a tweet, frankly. Do you have a source that explains the formula and shows the current data and more than 10 players? In general, I just feel like you're making a few too many assumptions about something with a lot of moving parts. I could as easily argue that Green benefits from Sengun's / Amen's paint gravity and receives a lot more open looks from outside than Cade as a result. Sure, you could be right, not trying to be an *sshole here, but I'm not willing to just accept counter-intuitive hypotheticals like "Jalen being the clear #1 option and receiving all the defensive attention would make him more efficient" out of hand.
Green already sees a lot of defensive attention. He just has stretches due to Rockets offensive management of "your turn, my turn" means Green has many possessions in a row of standing around. Blame Ime, blame Green for not being more assertive. It doesn't matter. Green has multiple possessions of standing around not touching the ball. Green is not a good shooter in this circumstance. If he's standing around for multiple possessions and then gets a open catch and shoot look, he's out of rhythm and that **** is more likely to miss. Players have motion tracking data of all 10 players on the court and use measurements of distance between defenders and said player to determine these metrics. It isn't pulled out of their ass. People need to accept the fact that Amen and Sengun really do harm spacing. You see it every possessions when those two share the court with Green and Green is attempting to attack POA defenses. Every screen set for him by those two, he is blitzed and they are left wide open. It's impossible to do a basic 5 out possession to clear driving lanes with those two next to Green. Like id love to say Green is top 10 in both of these because he's THAT GOOD. But he definitely isn't. So it's an indictment of how **** spacing is on this team.
These stats could also be snapshots + may change when season is completed. But Jalen has been much more explosive + consistent offensively in the last 3 months so these metrics may not be outliers. But a formula as to how these ranking generated would be helpful.
https://www.bball-index.com/ Also BBall index is a paid service to access all their data. It isn't some made up arbitrary stat.
Gravity comes from here if you wanna pay for it: https://www.bball-index.com/become-a-member/ It's measured using tracking data by how closely players are guarded and it's heavily influenced by how much you hold the ball. Green is probably one is the lowest usage players on that list. Here's some more players from an older list on a graph, comparing shooting talent:
Yup. And it really does match the eye test. Green gets face guarded off-ball by far the most on this roster by a wide margin.
