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[Washington Post] Trump begins purging the Military creating mass panic

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by astros123, Feb 21, 2025.

  1. astros123

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    Its about to get ugly
     
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  2. DaDakota

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    How many soldiers will stand up to illegal orders?

    That is what this country may come down too, they may need to think for themselves - even if it is to arrest Trump.

    DD
     
  3. astros123

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    The American hockey team yesterday said they used Trumps threat of annexing Canada as "motivation" to beat the Canadians. They had a Canadian flag on the floor of the locker room as motivation. Imagine using annexation and destroying another country as motivation lol.

    The idea that soliders are going stand up to facism is hilarious. Majority of soliders are probably pro facism. Americans sold out their morals long time ago
     
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  4. AleksandarN

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    Aren’t you German?
     
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    The god**mn Germans got nothing to do wi....

    oh, wait.
     
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  6. El_Conquistador

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    Accountability matters. Our military has been operating below the standards of the USA. The Afghanistan withdrawal was a prime example. A failed effort that embarrassed our great nation and caused us to lose our ability to conduct a deterrence-based foreign policy. This has always been one of America's greatest assets... the ability to exert power without having to use it. With deterrence gone, you saw Russia and Hamas make moves... making our nation and the world less safe. Heads should have rolled at the DOD and Joint Chiefs. They didn't. Now they are.

    Thank you Secretary Hegseth for restoring ACCOUNTABILITY to our military. Without it, we become weak.

    GOOD DAY
     
  7. DonnyMost

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    Pretty much.

    Just another loyalty test eating away at the expertise, morality, and executive functioning of our government.
     
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  8. dobro1229

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    Depends on who the “enemy” is and if it aligns with their training. Not one single marine will hesitate in battle to shoot at someone holding a gun or looking suspicious with a walkie talkie over in Iraq.

    However none of our military have ever been in a situation where they are sent to let’s say a college campus in Georgia. How will an army ranger sniper react if he’s positioned at UT at the same tower that the mass shooter once was because some 18 year old college kids have some anti Trump signs???

    I tend to think most military people won’t refuse orders ever necessarily but if Trump starts down this path of politicizing the military you will see like half the military get out as soon as they can and have so much trouble recruiting that they end up having to do what Russia does and overpay for unmotivated soldiers.

    The strength of our military is not just the technology, and the training invested, but also the unified motivation of our people who mostly really care about what they do, and love the country… even though yes there are issues with racism against Arabs that is engrained into them in training to dehumanize in order to have war time readiness. Not saying it’s right but if their chain of command tells them someone Arab looking is a terrorist, they will not hesitate to kill them in battle. A white girl who looks like Sydney Sweeney at a UT campus… I think their training probably doesn’t account for that.

    Trump is likely to know better though and learn from how Putin handles his problems. There 100% will be smaller seal team 6 type of units made of MAGA diehards Trump will be able to rely on for politically sensitive missions. I’ve hung out with former Seal Team 6 guys as part of this hunting party thing a few years ago. These guys are dangerous make no bones about it.

    Without generals and high command that can stand in between Trump will absolutely have a field day using smaller loyal MAGA units. If he tries to use let’s say an entire battalion of Marines to let’s say invade Berkeley…. I think the unit will be pretty unmotivated and uninspired to do much of anything other than just stand there as basically turnstiles.

    I think beyond a couple generals though Trump still has a ton of command to turn to his side. He’ll have to purge thousands of command to be effective and that’ll still come at the cost of a mass exodus and a massive increase in spending to pay unmotivated military recruits only in it for the money.
     
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    Yikes..... it's about to get ugly.. remember the old defense secretary said trump told him he wanted to shoot live bullets at the George Floyd protests.....

    I think us soliders especially die hard MAGATS will 100% shoot if given the order. Humans just need a permission structure to do bad things
     
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  10. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    Trump's first qualification in any position is loyalty.

    He can't find a four star person who is gonna put Trump over country. It's hard to find yes men at that level of leadership so he had to drop it a level
     
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    what's the opposite of loyalty?

    Loyalty to Trump means loyalty to the democratic will of the people who elected him. Anything less is disloyalty to the will of the people.

    A sign of a healthy democracy is when elected civilian leadership can fire military leaders at will.
     
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  12. El_Conquistador

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    Correct, and it's a further sign of democracy that the President can employ a group of leaders who carry out the will of the voters. For far too long, the unelected, unaccountable 4th branch of government -- the DC bureaucracy -- thwarted the will of the people by resisting elected leaders -- especially Republicans.

    In this way, Trump's moves are representative of a commitment to democratic principles. Oddly, Democrats are very opposed to this.
     
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    In this case, the opposite of loyalty to a person is loyalty to an idea or institution, namely the Constitution.

    Elections have consequences. The executive can execute as they wish. Everyone gets that.

    Spin as you might, everyone knows this is a dogshit taco. Just another loyalty test dressed up as meritocracy.
     
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  15. pgabriel

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    I don't know why you're talking about him doing what he said he will do

    Trump is anti DEI because he says people should be qualified. No 3 star general has ever been chief of staf

    Loyalty to him is a legit qualification?f
     
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    It is your belief that everyone who voted for Trump wanted people in the executive branch to be 100% to Trump as opposed to 100% loyal to the country? Do you understand that there is a difference?
     
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    What you are not grasping is that Trump wants people who can carry out his agenda. This is the will of the people, who voted in November and gave him a mandate to implement his plans. This is democracy.


    GOOD DAY
     
  18. pgabriel

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    Trump had to pick a 3 star general because he wants yes men and he can't find a 4 star yes men so **** having the most qualified person being in charge of our defense
     
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    @El_Conquistador

    There are 38 active 4 star officers. He couldn't find one anti DEI 4 star officers out of 38?
     
  20. durvasa

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    “Democracy”, to you, is electing someone with a mandate to act like a dictator every 4 years, to the extent the law allows it. I have a different view of what democracy means.

    Keep in mind that many Trump voters are not 100% aligned with his agenda, but instead voted for him with the idea that he’d do less harm that Biden. There is a base of voters, including you, who think everything Trump wants is for the best and so are happy for him to act like a dictator. But you are mistaken if you think this is even the will of his voters in general, let alone “the will of the people”.
     

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