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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Nov 25, 2018.

  1. dobro1229

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    Why are you such a Putin stooge? That's the question. Not whether or not you are a Putin lapdog or not... but why??... Why is it so important for you to spread pro Putin propaganda??

    The fact is that you will never bring up is that a significant portion of Ukraine is held by invading forces, but you should have the balls to at least try to do that. A Ukrainian election would not be a Democratic election. If Zelensky held an election with territory from Kyiv to the Lviv, he would win in a landslide, and the Putin lapdogs like you would be crying that it was a rigged election because the entire country didn't get to vote.

    Yes.... the democracies of this world would demand that Ukraine hold elections in order to be included in the EU, and NATO as an allied free country. That is a given once Ukraine is able to hold elections in a free and fair way. If Trump and his cultists like you want to make the case for them to hold an election right this second, at least have the balls to tell us HOW you do that, or agree that it is free and fair to exclude Eastern Ukraine since it would essentially be Russia conducting that election.

    But you chastising Zelensky and vilifying the guy (who did not choose to be invaded while he was president) just shows what a cowardly Putin propagandist you are. I don't know why you hate Democracy and love Autocracy, and Dictators so damn much but I wish you would just stop pretending to be cute about it like a coward with your BS gaslighting, and lying, and just own it like a man.
     
  2. Ottomaton

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    Zelensky's approval rating?
    52%

    The Donald?
    44%

    Keep lying, Donald. It's all you know how to do. It's all you've got.

    BTW, Ukraine's constitution has always expressly forbidden elections under martial law, which Ukraine has been under since RUSSIA started the war. I know you guys don't respect constitutions and rule of law, but some people do.
     
  3. Invisible Fan

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    Europe has a wealthy and highly educated population that are more aligned to our underlying principles than China or Russia. The fact that we bicker and disagree with them is because it's more out in the open compared to the shady dealings of authoritarian governments. They are an integral part of the Western supply chain with semis, electronics and manufacturinh. They are far from worthless.

    Asml supplies lithography machines for all semi fabs so it's not like the US could go it alone even by dumping Ukraine Money onto wimpy Intel. ASML and TSMC operate under tight multinational partnership of suppliers and spec designers that was only possible under a strong American-led alliance.

    Trump Admin is calling out our friends and allies as useless at a time when American power projection realistically can't fight the two front wars of old is a losers game. We self mutiliate our available knowledge base to go head to head against 1.6B strong CCP with Russia throwing state owned oil money in the background. The reality is that we can't have both a say in world events like Taiwan while we pull everything inwards. Even if we wanted to defend Taiwan, without support with European and Western allies, we'll lose by attrition...and likely take everyone down with us from the economic chaos.

    I don't see the allure of a multipolar world. I believe you were floating the viability of BRICS before, and now it's Go Russia Go? Is giving more power to authoritarian governments reasonable? Can they be trusted to keep their word?

    I feel like there's some underlying nihilistic fatalism regarding American stewardship of the global order. It's far from great, but we've been living in Pax America for so long, people have forgotten how brutal Russia and CCP have been with their own people and their neighbors.
     
  4. Ottomaton

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    From liberal bastion National Review:

    Donald Trump’s Dislike for Ukraine Is Deeply Personal

     
  5. Nook

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    Why? Because they get it from Americans buying weapons in straw deals and then it is sold to the cartels. There isn't really any question why, and it is why the President of Mexico said that he is going to look into filing lawsuits against US gun manufacturers.

    I am not sure what you thought the quote and discussion was about.


    No - the weaponry that the President of Mexico was talking about is purchased in the USA by Americans and smuggled into Mexico. That is the weapons he was talking about and it is why he wants to file suit against US weapons manufacturers.

    It has zero to do with Ukraine.

    Also - Ukrainians are dying because Russia invaded Ukraine.

    I don't doubt that there is some degree of corruption, a year or so ago Zelenskyy fired someone for theft.

    As for multiple villas all over Europe and kids going to US schools - that sounds like Russia.

    Sure.

    No oversight from anything he did from Obama and when Ukraine started investigating Hunter and Burisma gas then Biden as VP demanded Ukraine fire the prosecutor or their USAid money was not being sent back in 2014
    That’s why all the pardons are backdated to 2014.[/QUOTE]

    I didn't agree with all of the Trump pardons and family member pardons - and I do not agree with Biden pardoning his family either.
     
  6. Nook

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    They didn't start WWII, the Jews did.
     
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  7. Nook

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    You lost me at this point.

    There is ZERO evidence of Fauci having sketchy labs in Ukraine.

    The UK Crown did not invade Ukraine.

    The UK Crown did not go on national news and discuss spreading and growing the Russian empire.

    The UK Crown did not threaten the use of nuclear weapons.

    The UK Crown has very little power.
     
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  8. El_Conquistador

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    LOL -- nice try at equating the two. Biden pardoned his immediate family (brother, son, other immediate family members) for their corruption. Who did Trump pardon? Charles Kushner? His son-in-law's father

    Why are Democrats so dishonest? They try to sneak stuff in like this, hoping no one notices, I guess. Makes me not trust them at all.
     
  9. CrixusTheUndefeatedGaul

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    I think we all know that you have been tossed into a few lockers before, who are you trying to fool man? Lol
     
  10. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    Maybe Miller, but not Bannon and definitely not Trump. Trump was one of the most popular people on earth even before his political run. Hardly an outcast. You are projecting your own insecurities, tbh. (The_Conquistador nails it again!)
     
  11. dmoneybangbang

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    I find it amusing you far right types are celebrating Putin getting what he wants after invading a country in a war of conquest.
     
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  12. dmoneybangbang

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    LOL @Os Trigonum only posts someone elses opinion as her own.....
     
  13. dmoneybangbang

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    Into an economic block? Trump renegotiated NATO and called it USMCA only to tear it up a few years later..... Unless you mean that the US tries to bully Mexico and Canada into being vassal states?
     
  14. dmoneybangbang

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    So what you are saying is Russia is doing what it has historically done by conquering its neighbors to create buffer zones?

    Guess why former USSR countries prefer NATO security over Russian? Because we didn't starve and subjugate their countries like Russia did. Simple cause and effect.
     
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  15. dmoneybangbang

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    100% to the bolded which is only enabled by new media.

    It's crazy the 180 the GOP party has done.... but Christian nationalism and Putin's style go hand and hand.
     
  16. astros123

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    Dude your cult hero just pardoned 1500+ insurrectionists who beat cops while also pardoning the mayor of NYC to do his dirty work. Get outta here with your bs.

    The crime hunter got charged with has never ever been used on another individual. If trump were POTUS he wouldn't have even allowed the prosecution against his son to move forward
     
  17. Commodore

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    Hold an election during a war in which your country is being invaded and you aren't exactly sure where you territory is?

    David Sacks promoting Putin's talking point.
     
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    tell mr. trump to tell putin to stop attacking/invading so they can hold an election.
     
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