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Fired federal workers speak

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Amiga, Feb 16, 2025.

  1. Amiga

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    It is accurate info.

    The proposed plan, which grows the national debt by $4+T over the next decade, is the plan House Republicans put forward last week and was endorsed by the POTUS. And therefore, this isn't about the fiscal health of the U.S.
     
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  3. Nook

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    It is so obvious that this is a money grab by the billionaires at the expense of the lower and middle class.

    Cut agencies that provide benefits to the poor, disabled and vulnerable.

    Increase military spending while claiming you are against waste and also against war.... which makes no sense to increase the budget unless the ultra wealthy will benefit from contracts and using the US military (manned by poor soldiers) to "influence" foreign nations to enrich the ultra wealthy.

    Promise no taxes on overtime, tips etc.... but only pursue massive tax cuts for the ultra wealthy.

    Have the middle class fight with the poor and immigrants by blaming illegals and the poor for the economic issues --- distracting from wealth accumulation by the wealthiest.

    Claim you are cutting waste while only targeting those agencies that hold the wealthiest accountable.

    Blur completely the line between private industry and the government - by putting the private industry leaders in government.

    Have a blitzkreig of unconstitutional executive orders and actions right out of the gate to see whom will challenge you and to ensure that no particular action is focused on.
     
  4. FranchiseBlade

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    Yes. That pretty much sums it up.
     
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    I said it before and I'll say it again


    The next Democrat that wins a general election will be the Democrat who utilizes the anger the average working class American has that is currently directed at migrants, trans people etc and direct it towards billionaires, landlords and executives.

    The same level of hate rhetoric energy but directed at people like landlords and venture capitalists is what will win the next election for Democrats.

    That means people like Jeffries or Pelosi or Shumer have to leave because these people cannot make landlords or executives enemies of the people because they believe there are "good billionaires" and just believe guys like Musk and Bezos are just the bad ones. You can't win a modern American election with that mindset. You just can't. You have to create an enemy for the public to rally behind. You have to match hate with hate. You have to funnel hate to the correct vectors which is capital ownership creating unaccountable oligarchy.
     
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    What? He literally named one of the significant contributors to head the OMB? How exactly is that disavowing the Heritage Foundation or Project 2025?
     
  7. Nook

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    Yes - the events that have and are unfolding are the perfect climate for a hard swing the other way after it becomes obvious that the billionaires have not solved the problems. They are largely so egocentric that they do not see it - but there is a real chance for very strong declared class warfare.
     
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  8. Commodore

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    the slipshod spam-filing of lawsuits and associated rulings from Resistance judges blocking Trump's firings will lead to SCOTUS rightly ruling POTUS has absolute power to fire any member of the executive branch, and sooner rather than later

    it will also lead to SCOTUS placing restrictions on the use/abuse of nationwide injunctions by inferior lower courts on Congress and the Executive Branch

    and to be fair, the Dems don't really have a better option than spamming lawsuits to stop Trump
     
  9. fchowd0311

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    Violence is eventually the outcome I assume if all avenues of pushback within the legal bounds are effectively terminated.

    See more incidents like Dodge Rams with MAGA stickers being vandalized.

    This is what you asked for.
     
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  10. Commodore

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    midterm elections are a nonviolent avenue
     
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    Not if the current executive branch administration goes all Andrew Jackson and tests to see if fascist law enforcement entities will back up court orders that try to end fascist policies. If they don't, then literally the only course of action for recourse would be violence.
     
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    And then due to the bubbled social media news ecosystem even if Trump's policies are so damaging they crater the economy and harm the lives of thousands of die hard Trump supporters, they will be knee deep in a media ecosystem that tells them that migrants and trans people are the reason for this effectively not doing much in changing the power dynamics in Congress to have any motion that does genuine oversight like actual impeachment and actual removal from office if Trump goes this route of just completely ignoring court orders.

    So effectively checks and balances of the executive administration is over. When that time comes, the only recourse would be violence. I'm sorry but this is reality.
     
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    You do realize a ton of that deficit is due to Trunp's tax cuts that haven't expired yet, right?
     
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    Well the ones for the middle class expired after 1 year.....the billionaire ones were permanent.

    We need to be like IKE....tax corporations and profits at 87%........get rid of the loop hole of borrowing against stock means no taxes, tax that. Make buy backs illegal - you have to invest that money in R&D, or pay taxes. Term limits for all branches of government including 10 year SC terms.

    We need a CLASS WAREFARE race, the General public vs the Billionaires....and super wealthy.......kill citizens United......limit spending into campaigns - everything reported or those that cheat are jailed.

    DD
     
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    Only someone who hasn't read Project 2025 could make such an absurd claim. Again, people need to stop believing the lies that spew out of Trump's mouth non-stop!
     
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    Do you really believe dipsh!t is telling the truth when he “openly avows or disavows” anything?

    You’re what is known as a “mark” in his world.
     
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    Angry disenfranchised people look for a group they can be accepted into, doesn't matter what it is, they just want to belong, that is MAGA.

    DD
     
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    https://www.science.org/content/art...p-ph-d-s-training-lead-u-s-public-health-labs

    Ax falls on elite group of Ph.D.s training to lead U.S. public health labs
    Most of the fellows in CDC’s highly competitive Laboratory Leadership Service were fired last weekend


    Facing a furor after news reports last week that the prestigious corps of young epidemiologists being trained as “disease detectives” at the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) had been targeted for termination, the administration of President Donald Trump reversed course. The roughly 100 trainees at the Epidemic Intelligence Service (EIS) were spared.

    But another outstanding group of young CDC trainees wasn’t so lucky. At least 15 of 21 fellows in CDC’s lesser known Laboratory Leadership Service (LLS) were axed last weekend. The ultracompetitive, 2-year program, which trains Ph.D. scientists in the intricacies of public health laboratory work, has spawned leaders at state and local labs from Milwaukee to Tennessee to New York City.

    “The LLS fellowship is the best of the best. It is the most elite fellowship in the country for training public health scientists,” says one LLS fellow who received a termination notice.

    HHS sent the fired fellows letters last weekend stating: “You are not fit for continued employment because your ability, knowledge and skills do not fit the Agency’s current needs and your performance has not been adequate.” But HHS was in no position to judge fellows’ abilities because LLS performance reviews are not logged in the CDC system, several fellows and former fellows told Science.

    One fired fellow provided Science with a 10 February letter from the LLS program stating he “provided invaluable service to CDC and the public health laboratory community” and that he “excels as an LLS fellow and is an asset to public health.”

    Launched in 2015, the LLS program was meant to draw top talent to CDC after a series of agency lapses, including the transfer of live anthrax samples to improperly equipped CDC labs and the transfer of Ebola virus samples from a top-level biosafety lab to a lower level one.

    LLS fellows often accompany their better known colleagues in EIS when states or localities ask for help with local outbreaks. One LLS fellow built a field lab in Nebraska to help state public health workers handle a rabies outbreak in 2023. Others helped rebuild public health labs in the U.S. Virgin Islands after they were slammed by hurricanes in 2017. “Even public health heroes have to pack,” CDC boasted in a November 2024 Instagram video showing a fellow—who has now been fired—packing to respond to a dengue outbreak in Puerto Rico.

    Fellows also work in labs at CDC’s Atlanta headquarters. One alum, David Lowe, genetically tweaked the rabies virus to make lab mice “glow” under a special imager when infected with it. The idea was to allow shorter experiments using fewer animals as scientists work to improve vaccines and medicines.

    Another fellow called his firing “a punch in the gut.” In January, he and another LLS fellow were deployed to Florida, where public health scientists had asked CDC for help adapting a blood test to detect the Oropouche virus in patients with unexplained fever. An arthropod-borne virus that occasionally causes serious brain complications, Oropouche has surged in Latin America, and Florida public health responders saw at least 90 cases last year in travelers returning from affected countries. They were hoping to have the test ready for this summer.

    But by the time the LLS fellows returned from their 2-week assignment, the Trump ban on external communications by HHS agencies stopped them from transmitting their advice and action plan to the state of Florida. Now that they’re fired, they will be unable to help state scientists deploy the test, even if the communications ban is lifted.

    “These fellows really are the future of public health,” says one CDC staffer who works with the LLS program. “And when you fire them, it’s not the fellows, but the [young] people who are looking into working in public health. They see that they just terminated all these very successful, service- minded people. Who would want to come in and work in public health after this?”

     

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