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DOGE The Eschaton

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  1. strosb4bros

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    Why are establishment politicans still crying about their schemes being unhatched?

    According to social security payments, we have over 3 million Americans over the age of 120 receiving payments....

    some are 160 years old

    LOL



    F R A U D
     
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  4. strosb4bros

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    Time to audit Pelosi's brokerage account next

    The table posted by Musk is from the payments processor sending out payments

    The CNN data , gathered from Retired worker beneficiaries distributed by age , does not correlate whatsoever with the actual payments going out! It's their front for fraud like a laundromat embezzling mob money. Only those involved in distributing payments can see. I would start subpoenaing all those associated with SS distributions the past 10 years... there's so much more to uncover. Any sane taxpayer should be cheering this on
     
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  5. HP3

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    So you assume that Musk who just got into the SS systems(and he also doesnt know how COBOLT works) and posts a random tweet(AND DID NOT GIVE EVIDENCE OF WHERE HE GOT THAT DATA, OR HOW HE INTERPRETED IT) is more reliable than actual data taken from the SS administration.

    Less than 1% of SS is fraud.

    YOU. NEED. TO. STOP.LYING

    Good Day :D
     
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  6. El_Conquistador

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    Liberals:
    When the DOGE dividend is sent to you, will you cash the check?


    GOOD DAY
     
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    To the Trump supporters here…

    Do you endorse a bipartisan group setup under DOGE or Congress that can investigate and report on waste, fraud, and abuse with the SpaceX, and Tesla government contracts???

    Do we think Elon and his 22 year olds hired under DOGE should be able to investigate SpaceX and Tesla or shouldn’t that be handed off to a non-interested party???

    If you are concerned about waste fraud and abuse I encourage you to call your Texas Senator or House members office and encourage them to setup a bipartisan office under DOGE or Congress that can also investigate his multi billion dollar accounts with the government that WE the taxpayers pay for.

    @Os Trigonum @Space Ghost I expect you two true believers in NON Partisan justice for both parties will be calling your representatives tomorrow right??
     
  8. Os Trigonum

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    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/a...il_services_partisanship_problem__152379.html

    The Civil Service's Partisanship Problem
    COMMENTARY
    Daniel McCarthy
    February 19, 2025

    Here's a dirty secret about the federal government many Americans are just learning:

    It's run by Democrats, even when voters elect Republicans.

    Presidents come and go, but the permanent federal bureaucracy remains the same, and it has a distinct partisan tilt.

    When Americans send a Republican to the Oval Office, they get a government still administered mostly by the other party.

    Yes, that makes a sham of democracy.

    But no president before Donald Trump was prepared to confront the problem.

    Because the bias in the federal civilian workforce (which consists of more than 2 million employees) favors their side, the likes of Bill Clinton, Barack Obama and Joe Biden were never going to fix it.

    And earlier, when the parties were less ideologically polarized and there were still quite a few conservative Democrats and liberal Republicans, it wasn't as obvious as today that the bureaucracy's partisan slant meant a workforce opposed to the duly elected president -- when he's not a Democrat.

    But from Ronald Reagan onward, it's become clear that a Republican who tries to get the bureaucracy to carry out a conservative agenda will face a revolt from inside.

    The Constitution's separation of powers doesn't provide for an executive branch divided against itself -- it's the one branch that's meant to be united within and checked from the outside.

    Originally, the partisan makeup of the federal workforce depended almost entirely on who won the White House:

    Republicans would hire Republicans, Democrats hired Democrats, and every federal employee knew he stood to lose his job if the party in power changed.

    Politicians on both sides saw government jobs as rewards to give their supporters, even if this meant hiring people who weren't the best qualified.

    A nonpartisan, meritocratic civil service seemed like the solution to the inefficiency and you-scratch-my-back, I'll-scratch-yours corruption of this system.

    Yet like many well-intended reforms, this one backfired.

    Instead of a nonpartisan civil service, what we have now is a civil service whose partisanship no longer alternates based on elections -- a perpetual liberal government, unanswerable to voters.

    Guo Xu, an associate professor at the University of California, Berkeley's Haas School of Business, has studied the magnitude and effect of partisanship in the federal workforce.

    Analyzing data from 1997 to 2019, he found roughly half of all federal employees were Democrats (compared to 41% of the public at large), while the percentage of Republicans in federal jobs slid from 32% to 26%, with independents gaining the difference.

    That's an almost 2:1 ratio of Democrats to Republicans in the civil service.

    The imbalance is even more pronounced in many departments and agencies, however, with Democrats making up some 70% of Environmental Protection Agency, Department of Education, and State Department employees.

    The bias is also stronger in the highest reaches of the civil service, with Democrats amounting to 63% of top-level federal career executives.

    Guo and his research colleagues found cost overruns on government contracts increase by some 8% when there's a partisan "misalignment" between the president and the bureaucrat overseeing the outlay.

    "When we looked at HR surveys covering federal government workers, we also found that politically misaligned respondents were less motivated and less likely to identify with the overall mission of the agency," Guo said in an interview on the Berkeley Haas website.

    Guo is no conservative critic of the system -- he takes the lack of turnover in the federal workforce when party control of the White House changes to mean "civil service protections work, shielding career civil servants from political interference."

    In truth, civil servants with partisan commitments of their own are being shielded from the consequences of elections -- as if the American people have no right to "interfere" in their own government.

    The result: When voters elect a Democratic president, they get a Democratic administration -- but if they elect a Republican, they get a mixed administration weakened by partisan divisions between political appointees and the civil service.

    This is one reason Republican efforts to scale back the federal government have failed for so long: In effect, there have only been semi-Republican administrations for decades, or one continuous Democratic administration with some temporary Republican heads.

    It's time to reform the civil-service reforms that created this mess.

    There's something to be said for returning to what older reformers got right, such as relying on standardized examinations for hiring and promotion in place of recent, highly politicized criteria such as "diversity, equity, and inclusion" (DEI).

    Beyond that, though, it's necessary to admit that bureaucrats are partisans, too.

    Trump's plan to reclassify many federal employees as Schedule F appointees, allowing him to remove them more easily, is a step toward making the bureaucracy more accountable to the democratic process.

    By fighting the partisan bias of the permanent government, President Trump isn't endangering the Constitution -- he's restoring its balance.


     
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    Elon Musk Is Faking DOGE Results to Hide His Incompetence

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    The New York Times reported on the discrepancy Tuesday, and determined that the original contract—which started September 30, 2022—had initially been listed at a value of $8 billion
    in the Federal Procurement Data System. On January 22, 2025, the number was updated to $8 million. The contract said it had been signed January 30, 2025, and terminated the same day.

    Now, it looks like DOGE is trying desperately to cover the mistake, rationalizing that it is merely a clerical mistake.

    The DOGE website boasted a total of $55 billion in cuts, which remained unchanged, despite the DOGE’s admission of clerical errors.

    It’s unclear how many more errors reside in DOGE’s buggy list of savings.​
     
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  11. Sajan

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    Do people realize that the amount of administrative effort and cost that would incur to make any system 100% fraud free?


    A July 2024 report from Social Security’s inspector general states that from fiscal years 2015 through 2022, the agency paid out almost $8.6 trillion in benefits, including $71.8 billion—or less than 1%—in improper payments. Most of the erroneous payments were overpayments to living people.

    https://time.com/7258453/trump-musk-social-security-dead-fraud-fact-check/
     
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  12. Os Trigonum

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  13. adoo

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    DOGE is making too many false claims, which it has rationalized as clerical errors.
    even after such admission, DOGE has not removed the false claims [cause by the clerical errors] from its website




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    How Elon Musk's crusade against government could benefit Tesla





    On the potential chopping block: crash investigations into Tesla’s partially automated vehicles; a Justice Department criminal probe examining whether Musk and Tesla have overstated their cars’ self-driving capabilities; and a government mandate to report crash data on vehicles using technology like Tesla’s Autopilot.​

    The consequences of such actions could prove dire, say safety advocates who credit the federal investigations and recalls with saving lives.

    “Musk wants to run the Department of Transportation,” said Missy Cummings, a former senior safety adviser at the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. “I’ve lost count of the number of investigations that are underway with Tesla. They will all be gone.”

    Investigations into companies like Tesla can be shut down overnight by the new leaders of agencies. And safety programs created through an agency order or initiative — not by laws passed by Congress or adopted through a formal regulatory process — can also be quickly dissolved by new leaders. Unlike many of the dismantling efforts that Trump and Musk have launched in recent weeks, stalling or killing such probes and programs would not be subject to legal challenges.​
     
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    A host of Musk's other businesses — such as his aerospace company SpaceX and his social media company X — are subjects of federal investigations.

    Musk’s businesses are also intertwined with the federal government, pocketing hundreds of millions of dollars each year in contracts. SpaceX, for example, has secured nearly $20 billion in federal funds since 2008 to ferry astronauts and satellites into space. Tesla, meanwhile, has received $41.9 million from the U.S. government, including payment for vehicles provided to some U.S. embassies.
     
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    musk has always been a government mooch. he took billions in tax breaks and subsidies from california and then threw a temper tantrum and moved to texas because he didnt want to play by their rules.

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/musk-slammed-hypocritical-parasite-sucked-145248258.html

    Musk Slammed as Hypocritical ‘Parasite’ Who Sucked the Government Dry Himself

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    Guests of On With Kara Swisher tore into Elon Musk Monday for his flagrant double standards on state-funded programs given the eye-watering amounts his own companies have sucked up over the years.

    Swisher was joined by economists Mariana Mazzucato, Paul Krugman and Oren Cass to discuss the pitfalls of “Trumponomics” when the topic came up on Monday’s edition of the podcast.

    Addressing Mazzucato, the host said, “You said people like Elon Musk act like parasites because they wanna destroy the public investments that helped them build their companies.” Swisher added that by 2015, Tesla alone had already received almost $5bn from the state.

    “I mean, more than a parasite, he should have even just said thank you,” Mazzucato said, further pointing out the problem of hypocrisy over government support went far beyond the SpaceX founder in applying to any number of other tech billionaires.

    Cass was of much the same opinion. “[Musk] is, I think, literally humanity’s greatest subsidy farmer,” he said, adding that people taking advantage of state funding is normally a good thing unless they’re hellbent on “pulling the ladder up” after themselves.

    Over the past ten years, Tesla and SpaceX are estimated to have benefited from upward of $20 billion worth of federal contracts—a figure that’s become even more keenly pronounced against Musk’s ongoing crusade against “government waste” as head of the DOGE temporary advisory committee.

    Musk’s actions in that capacity also came under fire from Nobel Prize-winning economist Paul Kruger on Monday. “If you look at what Elon Musk said about killing USAID, he didn’t say we think we have some discretion here, he said this agency is staffed by left wing Marxists who hate America,” as Kruger put it.

    He added, “I defy you to find anything like that happening under a democratic administration.”
     
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  19. jo mama

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    do you have a legitimate source for this claim other than your tweet? i just googled "department of state contract replace tennis court" and all i got was your tweet.

    the problem for yall is that almost all the things you post regarding specific waste/fraud DOGE has uncovered have proven to be lies or at best misrepresentations. at this point one would have to be a complete fool to just take these random tweets for the truth.
     
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    To be fair, this one is more probable.
     
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