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DOGE having access to government agencies is illegal

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by DaDakota, Feb 3, 2025.

  1. Buck Turgidson

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    Does "white trash" work for you?
     
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    DOGE out here cutting American jobs lol.
     
  4. Tomstro

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    I think it works better for you because it’s racist terminology.
     
  5. Buck Turgidson

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    Yes, lol, "white trash" is absolutely racist
     
  6. Tomstro

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    I know it’s the only race that you would say that about, even though all races must have their “trash” element, as you say. Your guilt is lame.

    I don’t speak disparagingly about any race. I am all about the individual, not their race.
     
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    There’s definitely fat to trim at the SSA, competing redundancies due to inter-departmental political bullshit that needs to get squashed. But nothing gets the wagons circled like wholesale slaughter.

    Again, where is the litigation? The judiciary isn’t completely compromised. This is the entire point of the court system.
     
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  9. Os Trigonum

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    it isn't for lack of trying

    “We’re Winning Across the Board”: Raskin Takes a Premature Victory Lap Just Before a Slew of Court Losses

    https://jonathanturley.org/2025/02/...ctory-lap-just-before-a-slew-of-court-losses/

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    On CBS’s Face the Nation, Rep. Jamie Raskin (D., Md.) repeated the talking point of Democratic politicians and pundits that the courts are stopping President Donald Trump’s lawless actions taken after his inauguration. Raskin declared “we’re winning in court…we’re winning across the board.” The boast was dubious at best on Sunday given earlier losses, but became embarrassing on Monday and Tuesday as additional courts ruled in favor of the Trump Administration in major cases.

    For weeks, some of us have expressed confusion over the basis for some of the Democratic challenges and initial injunctions in court. President Trump clearly has the authority to designate federal officials to look at the books and track expenditures in the executive branch. After losing both houses and the majority vote, Democratic groups sought to use the courts to block such executive actions.

    There was obvious forum shopping as these groups went to many of the same courts and judges for relief. However, even judges viewed as decidedly hostile to Trump like Judge Tanya Chutkan in Washington ultimately balked at the demand for an injunction and allowed the access and actions to continue.

    On Monday, Judge Randolph Moss, of the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia delivered a blow to groups seeking to block the Department of Government Efficiency from gaining access to data from the Department of Education on student borrowers. Judge Moss found in his ruling that the University of California Student Association failed to show sufficient irreparable harm to receive such immediate relief.

    He, however, left the door open a crack: “The Court leaves for another day consideration of whether USCA’s has standing to sue and has stated a claim upon which relief may be granted. Those questions are less clear cut and are better answered on a more complete record.”

    Judge Chutkan also refused to grant the plaintiffs’ request to issue a temporary restraining order of Doge, again citing the failure to demonstrate evidence of “irreparable harm.”

    There was a palpable sense of reluctance, even regret, in the opinion by Chutkan who noted that “Plaintiffs legitimately call into question what appears to be the unchecked authority of an unelected individual and an entity that was not created by Congress and over which it has no oversight.”

    This, of course ignores the “elected individual” in the body of the President who is allowed to delegate such responsibility to subordinates. Chutkin would have been reversed by the higher courts if she had issued the requested TRO as demanded by the coalition of 14 Democratic state attorneys general.

    Even before Raskin’s boost, U.S. District Judge John Bates also rejected a request to block DOGE from accessing records of three government agencies, writing in his own opinion Friday that plaintiffs “have not shown a substantial likelihood that [DOGE] is not an agency.”

    Likewise, challengers thought that they had a victory in hand when U.S. District Court Judge George O’Toole enjoined the buyout offer by the Administration. Some of us criticized the injunction as lacking any cognizable basis given the clear authority of the President to make such an offer. Then, as many were citing the victory as proof of the Trump Administration’s unlawful actions, Judge O’Toole lifted the injunction on the buyout program, agreeing to allow the buyouts to go forward.

    Then Judge Randolph Moss (D.D.C.) in Doe v. Office of Personnel Mgmt. rejected another challenge to testing by the Office of Personnel Management (“OPM”) of a new email system. The federal employees argued that the move violated federal law including privacy protections. The court, however, ruled that the “Plaintiffs have failed to carry their burden of demonstrating (1) that they likely have standing to bring this action, and (2) that they are likely to suffer irreparable injury in the absence of emergency relief.”

    These and other setbacks do not mean that new cases cannot be brought with new records and parties. However, it is a far cry from the claim of Democrats “winning across the board.”
    more at the link

     
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  10. SamFisher

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    There's new lawsuits being filed pretty much every day - I would expect the SSA one to drop today or tomorrow.

    Can track some of them here.

    https://www.democracydocket.com/cases/
     
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  11. CrixusTheUndefeatedGaul

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    Demonrats
    Officially
    Getting
    Exposed
     
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    That grifter is not only going to cash the check but he will try to cheat to get multiple checks. The bad news for him is the new sheriff is tough with a sound mind unlike the guy that he voted for with broccoli cheddar for brains.
     
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    DOGE’s Millions: As Musk and Trump Gut Government, Their Ax-Cutting Agency Gets Cash Infusion

    Most of DOGE’s money, records show, has come in the form of payments from other federal agencies made possible by a nearly century-old law called the Economy Act. To steer those funds to the new department, the Trump administration has treated DOGE as if it were a federal agency. And by dispatching members of its staff to other agencies and having those staffers issue edicts about policy and personnel, DOGE has also behaved as if it has agency-level authority.

    The use of the Economy Act would seem to subject DOGE to the same open-records laws that cover most federal agencies, such as the Environmental Protection Agency or the State Department. However, DOGE has refused to respond to Freedom of Information Act requests, saying it operates with executive privileges.

    If DOGE is a federal agency, it can’t shield its records from the public. If it’s not an agency, then DOGE’s tens of millions of dollars in funding weren’t legally allocated and should be returned. In all, ProPublica found, more than $39 million has been earmarked to DOGE in the Trump administration’s first month.

    One of the names newly added to the tracker, Katherine Armstrong Loving, is the sibling of crypto executive Brian Armstrong, who runs the industry leader Coinbase. Coinbase donated $1 million to Trump’s inauguration fund, and Armstrong met with Trump to discuss appointments to administration posts, according to The Wall Street Journal.

    The grift is their game. Musk laughing and wielding a chainsaw as he destroys lives, and guts needed programs to show Americans the oligarchs are the Kings now. It's disgusting. He's as sociopathic and narcissistic as Trump. Brothers from another mother. Same disturbing mentality.

    https://www.propublica.org/article/doge-trump-musk-funding-foia-congress-transparency
     
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    Despite DOGE budget cut crusade, Trump has already spent $10.7 million of taxpayer money on golf trips: report

    Since being sworn in for the second time on January 20, the president has reportedly spent all four weekends on the green, and played golf at his own properties on nine of his first 30 days in office.

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-golf-doge_n_67b50fbfe4b0319f377e6c6a

    The Grifter is the fraud, waste and abuse. Look no further than Trump himself.
     
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    DOGE effect is real.

    Government is losing people either via cuts, retirement or people taking the voluntary buyout.

    Here's the kicker. Within six months, a good chunk of these people will be back, at a MUCH higher rate via $$$ contracting companies.

    Net result: we're privatizing the Federal government to another order of magnitude at a huge cost to the American taxpayer. The rich get richer.

    Does the average GOP voter get anything out of this? Less. They get less services, their taxes won't go down at all and prices of eggs will continue to go up. MAGA, mother****ers, ride the lightning!

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    We'll see that trillion disappear the second the 1% file taxes next year. It will continue to explode. 90% of Americans will pay the price for the entitled few to govern them, rule the land, and laugh their as*es off at the rest of us all the way to the bank. Meanwhile Trump and Musk will call it a sacrifice for the good of the country, and you'll believe it with a smile.
     
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  19. SamFisher

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    Own the libs, eat salmonella, die.

    Like honestly, I don't get what becoming a poor Russia-like vassal state that depends on crypto scams to stay afloat is positive to anybody.
     
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    DOGE Aide’s IRS Access Won’t Include Personal Information
    Memo between the tax agency and the new cost-cutting group keeps personal tax information off limits

    https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy...3?st=jRaCBo&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

    An aide to Elon Musk’s efforts to shrink the federal government will have access to the Internal Revenue Service’s computer systems but not the personal information of taxpayers, a federal memo showed.

    Gavin Kliger has been helping the new Department of Government Efficiency cut spending as an employee of the Office of Personnel Management and was recently granted access to IRS systems. The agreement between OPM and the IRS says Kliger will help improve the tax agency’s technology infrastructure within strict boundaries protecting personal information from tax returns, according to a copy of the agreement seen by The Wall Street Journal.

    “Should access to IRS systems that contain returns or return information become necessary as part of the detailed’s duties under this agreement, that access shall only be provided if it is anonymized and in a manner that cannot be associated with, directly or indirectly, any taxpayer,” the agreement reads.

    The agreement was earlier reported by the New York Times.

    Lawmakers including Senate Finance Ranking Member Ron Wyden (D., Ore.) and Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D., Mass.) had raised concerns about people affiliated with DOGE accessing taxpayer information. DOGE affiliates have been working to fire thousands of employees at the IRS, part of broader work to cut the federal workforce.

    Kliger will have access to the IRS computer systems that the Government Accountability Office has said needs to be improved.

    The memorandum says Kliger’s responsibilities will include “surveying IRS software, network infrastructure and information technology…systems” and “assess the state of current IRS projects and support interventions where major corrections are required.”


     

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