The “give me Harden over FVV” takes are embarrassing

Harden is a good player and was a great player. He was far from a leader. Morey was also an extremely overrated gm

 

Yeah MDA made everything happen

 

Everyone adopted Morey's model of 3 pointers and layups.......

He might be just an above average GM but he was a great mind at other things........

Some of his choices would ultimately lead me to question him.

 

I think Morey is highly overrated here. Not a fan at all. Especially considering what he pulled.

Warriors were already doing it. Hardly something he invented

 

I never said he was a role model. He was just there - right time right spot to popularize his vision of scoring effciency.

And he had the ultimate scoring machine and stats padder in James Harden to help him......until their fallout.

And someone like PJ Tucker who was the best at shooting Corner 3s but bricks every other shot.

To make it 3, D'Antoni was also one of the most extreme coaches out there with his unique vision.

That is all.

 

I liked D'Antoni as a coach. Tucker was definitely used effectively. I think Morey overthought everything. He always thought he was the smartest person in the room when he wasn't. He didn't get the franchise anywhere and he can't get the Sixers there either

 

WRONG




Warriors

2014-2015 - 27.7 (3rd)

2015-2016 - 31.8 (1st)

2016-2017 - 31.5 (5th)

2017-2018 - 29.4 (14th)

2018-2019 - 34.1 (9th)

Rockets

2014-2015 - 31.8 (1st)

2015-2016 - 30.7 (2nd)

2016-2017 - 40.1 (1st)

2017-2018 - 41.9 (1st)

2018-2019 - 45.1 (1st)

 

I came to respect and let go that all 3 of Morey, Harden and MDA who worked well over a short period of time.

Flawed geniuses if you will, you might dislike Morey but he did trade for young Harden. That will always be his calling card.

Harden is the only one out of the 3 that can still win a championship.......I think Morey is very likely not going to win one.

 

Yeah the Warriors didn't shoot many 3s they just MADE a lot of them because Steph is by far the best 3pt shooter in NBA history and Klay is probably top-3. And they had KD for a few years too. Shooting 3s at the Rockets level require organizational strategy, one that other NBA teams have emulated over time because it's clearly a successful strategy. Making 3s at the Warriors level require you to have Steph and Klay, something no one can replicate, not even the Warriors themselves, who in later drafts took the likes of Wiseman and Kuminga with lottery picks and neither could shoot.

 

Silver, refs, and moving screens helped too

 

Yes, the moving screens were abominable. But you have to have the system and shooters to utilize the moving screen. I'm pretty sure if the refs allowed the current Rockets to do moving screen, we would still be a crappy offensive team. It's like if the police allowed you to sell drugs on the street openly but you didn't have the suppliers to sustain the sales.

 

learn basketball

warriors won with a motion offense.. celtics just won the title using MOREY-BALL.. they are NOT the same offenses

 

Harden seems to be more of a need than KD at this point. The Rockets need someone other than just Fred/Amen who can run the offense, Harden has been carrying the Clippers this year pretty much on his own. Depending on what type of deal Fred negotiates with the Rockets in the off-season, I think Harden may make a lot of sense to bring back in addition to Fred. The rest of the team should be able to make up for what he lacks defensively. It would not cost a lot, and he has a player option so not sure what we can do to convince him to come play at a reasonable amount. If there are matchups in the playoffs where Harden just disappears again, you have the luxury of FVV taking over and stabilizing the team. The timing was not right a couple years ago, but the young guys have matured and despite the recent slide, they have bought into Ime, so the risk of Harden being a bad influence on young guys is essentially gone now.

 

The main reason Morey got hired is because Les Alexander saw analytics in baseball and thought it would also work in basketball. Its not his model Heat, Spurs and GSW did it before him. They just didnt spread it around Morey coined it after himself and tried to make it cool

 

I dont wanna pay Harden the max at his age. Rather trade for Trae Young if a playmaker is needed.

 

Fred was what we needed last year. No doubt about it. But given that he’s played poorly this year and Harden is an all star, objectively speaking this team would be better with Harden right now. If it was possible to swap out Fred for Harden for next year, I’d do it. Hate to say it because I love Fred’s mentality and he’s so important to this team, but you just can’t play as badly as he has this yr on a max salary and be okay with that. We have to expect more from our back court. And that needs to get addressed this offseason.

 

this thread is the gift that keeps on giving

lmao at anyone who wanted FVV over Harden

my favorite reasoning is when they say that Harden would take opportunities away from the young guys as if more self-created bricks from Jalen Green or Sengun not being set up for easy baskets is what we need

Zubac is averaging a career high 15 ppg thanks to Harden, and he’s not half as skilled as Sengun…Harden has Norman Powell eating good

my other favorite reasoning is that Harden would’ve made our defense a lot worse…meanwhile in reality, the Clippers have the 2nd best defense in the NBA this season

 

Spitting facts.

 

Last season Fred was career best Fred. Was under 56 TS% until last season. Returned to near career average TS% this season at 54. Fred Q4 TS% is especially poor, under 49.

James Harden 2 lowest TS% seasons would be career bests for Fred.

 

Cooking them like Harden