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The state of the democratic party

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Os Trigonum, Feb 27, 2021.

  1. MystikArkitect

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    The Democrats will get to work once racism, homophobia, transphobia, xenophobia and misogyny end. Gotta keep voting for them though so they can end it and once they end it we will get to refilling California reservoirs and tackling inflation.

    Barring some sort of monumental Republican collapse, the Dems are going to be out of power for a long time if their post election reaction is anything to go by. If the Republicans were an NBA team, they're like....45-5 heading into the All Star Break. The Dems are basically the Phoenix Suns saying the refs have had it against them.
     
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  2. Os Trigonum

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  3. StupidMoniker

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    Of course, of course. They didn't call ENOUGH billionaires Nazis. If they had lumped in Bloomberg and Nancy Pelosi and Soros, that would have really turned things around. What Americans are really hungering for is the end of capitalism and a communist revolution. We just need more Democrats to decide that the last 250 years were a big mistake, and we should really outlaw private property and have worker control. You missed your opportunity this year to run for chair of the DNC, but maybe next time you can convince them that Marxism/Leninism is the path to electoral dominance. Americans famously love communism.

    I think that is a great idea and encourage all democrats to follow in her footsteps.
     
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    Trump's out here signing illegal unconstitutional executive orders and you're worried about the dems? Libertarians and their warped logic...:rolleyes:
     
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    Do you need me to say more about Trump? Have you not gotten enough anti-Trump content? Trump is a moron with a fragile ego. He doesn't know what the job of the President is supposed to be (many of the executive orders are nothing of the sort and he is just legislating from the Oval Office). His ideas on the economy are almost as stupid as communism (tariffs? when people are complaining about high prices?). He is a pig and a liar and susceptible to flattery as a means of manipulation. I would have figured people had heard enough about how bad Trump is. He isn't Democrat bad, but he is pretty bad. This thread is about the State of the Democratic Party (see the thread title), so I don't know why you would expect me to post about Trump here.

    Furthermore, I am just poking fun at chowderhead for his braindead communist nonsense. The fact that he thinks doing what the Democrats did but more and dumber is what was necessary to win in 2024 is hilarious to me. I am never going to get the representation that I want, and neither is he. We are on opposite sides of a divide that isn't represented at all in American politics, so there is just an ideological argument of no real-world consequence. We will not have a communist or libertarian president in either of our lifetimes (at least that is what I believe). It is more fun for me to poke at him than to talk about how much I dislike the Republicans and even more so the Democrats. You also never cared about the unconstitutional things the Biden administration did, so your criticism seems a bit partisan.
     
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  7. ThatBoyNick

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    Look at StupidMoniker swanging that dick
     
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    Look at StupidMoniker swanging that dick

    @StupidMoniker I think what the few posters (and if not them, just me) here responding to you would like to know is
    Why do you think the Dems are worse than Repubs/Trump, detailed if possible. What's truly important, and where and why are the Dems worse on whatever that is, comparatively.
     
  9. Andre0087

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    Bold assumption on your part, any admin GOP or Dem need to follow the rule of law. Dems don't have to do much except stick to the basics like the economy and employment and in 2 years they should at least win back the House. You on the other hand never miss a chance to take a dump on the left like most of the other far right posters here. When the right does something ridiculous, nada, not a single complaint.

    Did you just type Trump's not as bad as the Democrats with a straight face? No one should definitely take you seriously when it comes to how our federal government should function. This is why the country is going to hell, no compromise, no honest debate, facts don't even enter the equation...just your side vs mines.
     
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    If eradicating public education and hurting your fellow man are righteous goals on your bucket list, you'll love his explanation.
     
  12. ThatBoyNick

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    I just think if we’re going to have a discussion or debate might as well know what it’s about instead of vague assumptions and vague criticisms
     
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    Tax cuts, deregulation, cutting off support for international programs, removing federal protections for abortion, and the list probably goes on and on. There’s no mystery to me as to why he’d prefer Republicans, despite the impulsiveness and recklessness of Trump.
     
  14. ThatBoyNick

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    but why even talk to each other if we know everything already
     
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    This is the state of the Democratic Party
    With one of their brightest mayors
    @Salvy
    @Scarface281
    @cml750
    @RB713
     
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    The overarching commonality of the reasons is that Democrats even more so than Republicans have never seen an issue that they decided would not be improved by the federal government getting more involved. I don't want the federal government doing anything except what it is specifically empowered to do by the Constitution (and even some of that I would like to get rid of). The United States government spends about 5 times as much as I want them to, and I have to pay for it. That's it in a nutshell. My biggest issue is the size and scope of government, the Republicans want too big a government for my preference, and the Democrats want essentially every bit of government the Republicans want, plus more on top of it.
     
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    They aren't vague assumptions and criticisms if the person in question already admitted to it. Personally I don't mind government that works for the people...NOAA, CFPB, USPS, these entities should continue to operate as a public service. Republicans want to privatize everything which @StupidMoniker chose to omit, while the Democrats IMO try too hard to force government into roles it should not be a part of.

    I don't agree with him but do respect his opinion to believe what he chooses to do so no matter how ridiculous. Healthy and honest debate is always a great thing...
     
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    Is there a place in the world you idolize for government size and function? Any examples of where less spending than we do works?

    https://www.imf.org/external/datama...U/NZL/NLD/NOR/IRL/GRC/PRT/POL/SVN/CHE/LUX/AUT

    Out of all the developed countries in the world, only Switzerland has lower government spending as a % of GDP. Ireland does as well but there data is heavily skewed from being a tax haven, but I do think they generally spend less than most. Didn’t see South Korea or Singapore as options but would have added them.
     
  20. Os Trigonum

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    this is big, Francione is Mister Animal Rights, not some manic Republican

    The Democrats abandoned the working class to create a ‘Grievance Olympics’ obsessed with identity politics

    https://nypost.com/2025/02/08/opini...nce-olympics-obsessed-with-identity-politics/

    except:

    I’m done with the Democrats.

    I voted for Kamala Harris — but left the party I’d belonged to for decades after witnessing its unhinged reaction to the Protection of Women and Girls in Sports Act, as I explained in these pages last month.

    The Democratic position on transgender rights is part of a larger problem: the Democratic embrace of being “woke.”

    To be woke means to accept without question the claims of the myriad identity groups that demand special treatment.

    The Democrats were once the party of working people and unions. They were committed to bridging the gap between rich and poor. The Dems sought practical solutions. They focused on class. Now they seem to focus on every characteristic except class.

    Democrats correctly identified a serious problem in the 1960s that was holding us back from making progress: discrimination.

    The Democratic solution was affirmative action, which specified the determination of who was qualified for a position should be made without regard to race, color, religion or national origin. The idea was these characteristics could then be used to distinguish among qualified candidates.

    The problem is affirmative action became a clumsy marker for who should be hired rather than a more nuanced examination of applicants’ skills, which can be found in abundance in communities that suffered discrimination.

    “We should hire X because X and Y are both well qualified and hiring X, a minority candidate, would increase diversity” became “We should hire X because of her or his race or sex even if Y is better qualified.” Critics of affirmative action said what was really going on was reverse discrimination.

    Affirmative action became about group membership; membership in that group, without more, was itself considered a qualification.

    Discussions of merit became irrelevant — indeed offensive — because any interpretation of merit that did not favor the member of the identity group could be explained away as itself a manifestation of discrimination. Each group had its own standards that were met largely by group membership and intra-group assessment.

    Democrats insisted any further discussion of merit was an attempt by “elites” or “racists” or “sexists” or “colonialists” to reestablish the old order.

    And “identity politics” was born.

    “Woke” went from being a term people of color used as synonymous with “awake” that advised vigilance about subtle racism to a largely pejorative term used to describe the position of not criticizing, questioning or discussing the claims of any of the many groups that sought top billing in the discrimination pecking order. Those claims had to be accepted by anyone who considered themselves “progressive.”

    The Democrats established, in essence, a “Grievance Olympics” where various groups compete to be considered the most victimized.
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