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Trump supporters are primarily racists.

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  1. Nook

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    This guy…

    Trump has already appointed a number of Project 2025 architects to key positions in his new administration.

    In fact the primary author of Project 2025 got the exact role he said he needed in Project 2025 to carry out its mission….
     
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    Of course - race, gender etc. all figure into elections and who people like and do not like.
     
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    The real racists.

     
  5. Os Trigonum

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    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/a..._treating_trump_voters_as_enemies_152034.html

    Liberals Must Stop Treating Trump Voters as Enemies
    COMMENTARY
    By Lauren K. Hall
    December 04, 2024

    We face a crucial decision as President-elect Trump’s team takes shape and begins to govern: whether to view other Americans as enemies or as potential collaborators for good. It’s clear which way my liberal friends are leaning. My social media feed is full of references to Nazis, fascists, racists, homophobes, misogynists, and xenophobes. TikTok now monetizes liberal tears.

    In a way, I’m sympathetic. I too see Donald Trump as a dangerous narcissist and a threat to democracy and international stability. As a political scientist, I have serious concerns about whether the norms that make liberal democracy possible can survive the next four years. But I’m also concerned about the assumptions my liberal friends are making about people who, according to the best polling available, are normal Americans, just like the rest of us. They’re neither outside the mainstream on most political issues, nor are they hostile to women, LGBTQIA Americans, or immigrants, as social media narratives claim.

    Unfortunately for all of us, the references in my social feeds to Nazis and fascists are not just aimed at Trump; they’re aimed at the 51% of American voters who voted for Trump. Calling most Americans Nazis and fascists is not only inaccurate, but it is enormously dangerous for the disadvantaged populations liberals want to protect.

    It’s true that many Trump voters hold incorrect understandings of the economy (high tariffs, for example, are economically devastating for middle-class Americans). Yet my Democratic friends also refuse to confront some deeply entrenched political myths and misunderstandings of their own.

    Two of these myths pose serious dangers for vulnerable Americans over the next four years. The first is that all Trump voters act primarily based on bigoted beliefs and a desire to harm. And that relates to the second myth: that Democrats and Republicans live in two separate Americas, one of which supports a federal abortion ban and the forcible removal of all undocumented immigrants and condemns LGBTQIA Americans to violence and discrimination. The data clearly say otherwise.

    Contrary to dark visions of a future Gilead, most Americans have centrist views on abortion. Pew Researchpolling finds 63% support safe access to abortion in all or almost all cases. Support for stringent bans is fading even in deep-red states, given stories of women dying after being denied necessary care and obstetricians fleeing states where they cannot practice medicine ethically. Almost 50% of Republicans support access to abortion in all or most cases.

    As for immigration, while I often hear claims that xenophobic rage spurred Trump voters, polls fail to support the idea. While many Trump supporters do support mass deportations, many Harris supporters do too. Given the crisis at the border, support for immigration has dropped, but across party lines.

    More importantly, a full 70% of Americans support allowing undocumented immigrants a pathway to citizenship. The fact that Trump made headway among Latino voters is one indication that his voters’ views on immigration are complicated.

    What about LGBTQIA, and specifically trans, rights? Most Americans are pretty centrist on this issue, too. Large majorities (over 75%) from all walks of life support relevant anti-discrimination laws. Sixty-four percent support specifically protecting trans Americans against violence and discrimination. Only 10% oppose such protections.

    Disagreement tends to come on the margins and on highly polarizing issues like participation in women’s sports and access to gender-affirming care for minors (particularly without parental consent). Nothing in the polls suggests that most Americans are deeply transphobic or supportive of stripping fundamental rights.

    Many of our differences come back to the theory that most Trump voters assume – maybe rightly – that his bombastic and extremist language is mostly bloviating. They held their nose and voted based on (incorrect) views about the economy and (somewhat more accurate) concerns about a broken immigration system.

    The research does not dispel the idea that Americans feel deeply divided and increasingly see each other as dangerous. Political scientists often talk about the dangers of this affective polarization for liberal democracy, but there’s an even more immediate threat. Our mistaken perceptions of one another prevent us from building the coalitions to protect the populations who would be most vulnerable under an unrestrained Trump administration.

    Liberals and other opponents of the next president do not need to support his policies. They do need to separate Trump voters from Trump himself. This is desperately important not only for the future of our political institutions, but to ensure the safety of reproductive rights, immigrants, and our LGBTQIA neighbors.

    Lauren K. Hall, Ph.D., is a professor of political science and associate dean of academic affairs, College of Liberal Arts, Rochester Institute of Technology. She is author of “The Medicalization of Birth and Death” (Johns Hopkins U. Press, 2019). She writes at "Radical Moderate’s Guide to Life."
     
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    Should be obvious, but they are so deep in their rabbit hole that they don't even understand that they need to win at least some of these people back if they want to win the next election. Calling them all racists and Nazis may or may not be helpful in that endeavour.
     
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    Serious Question: There is a video of a Senator saying that Donald Trump is never wrong.
    That if Donald says Jump and scratch your head .. . their job is to ask how high and scratch their head

    Do you all believe that to be so?
    I'm seriously curious because that guy was NOT KIDDING


    Start at Majorie and Next guy . . ..
    Do you believe this as well?

    Rocket River
     
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    Why bother even responding to DD? He hates himself and white people. He keeps himself in terrible shape and is an idiot if he supports Harris.
     
  10. DaDakota

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    And apparently Pedophiles....Gaetz, Trump to name a couple.

    DD
     
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    I see Trump voters and even liberal voters who see things like immigration as a security issue as victims of propaganda from the wealthy investing and executive class trying to deflect blame from themselves.


    99.9% of Trump voters and liberals who perceive a "border crisis" in the sense of a security concern never have had a negative interaction with an illegal immigrant. The "security concern" is some foreign vague concept of a concern they are brainwashed into believing from "it bleeds it leads" propaganda. Their negative interaction with illegals is coming from their doom scrolling habits on their smartphone.

    This author stating narratives like "border security" as a matter of fact narrative says a lot about her bubbled perspective


    It might take time but eventually MAGAlites will find out their frozen pack of jalapeno poppers are 8 dollars instead of 16 because of these feared illegals.
     
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    The lack of self awareness is appalling….

    Conservatives have been defining what true Americans are and have consistently demonized liberals.

    Look how you and your people treated Obama…. wHeRe’s his BiRtH CeRtifiFcate?1!?1

    Also talk to me about Christian Nationalism.
     
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    tap dance for people who hate you and then act surprised when being “one of the good ones” ultimately doesn’t matter

    if u choose to lay with sh*t, accept the consequences

    U really thought you’d be accepted and get to be a part of the club? LMAO
     
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    Why should Democrats come and protect you from all the racism? This is what your dumbass wanted
     
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    When Americans in swing states voted him in and gave him the most votes, it pretty much signaled everyone for themselves or for their masters. If you give a ****, volunteer or mentor someone...

    These rubes can learn the hard way after being warned 5-10x a day. I only knew about Stephen Miller's shady legal immigration policy the first time around from Indian coworkers who had to go through H1B issues.

    It was all on the dl while Trump's zombie corps were pretending he was only going after illegals.
     
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    https://althouse.blogspot.com/2025/02/partner-with-trump-when-hes-rightlike.html

    36 minutes ago
    "Partner with Trump when he’s right—like on DEI."
    by noreply@blogger.com (Ann Althouse)
    February 4, 2025


    That's point #3 on a 4-point list by Ruy Teixeira, in "Trump 2.0: A Survival Guide for Democrats" (Free Press).

    DEI is of comparatively recent vintage and the programs are now indelibly associated with racial preferences, oppression hierarchies, ideological indoctrination, and language policing. Those aren’t American values at all.... Racial preferences are very, very unpopular and have been for a long time....

    Most voters, especially working-class voters, believe, like Martin Luther King Jr., that people should “not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.” A 2022 University of California Dornsife survey found that more than 90 percent of Americans agree that America should strive for color-blind tolerance. But many Democrats dismiss the idea of color blindness as either hopelessly naive or itself a racist dog-whistle.

    And that fits so tightly with the Democrats' 2 favorite arguments: 1. You're dumb, and 2. You're racist. Which reminds me — the #1 item on Teixeira's 4-point list is: "Avoid name-calling."

    I'm halfway through quoting all 4 items, so let me continue. #2 is "Moderate — starting with immigration." And #4 is "Embrace energy abundance."

    Yeah, the Democrats cannot do these things. Not unless they get their own Trump. Someone extremely daring, charismatic, and powerful who barges in and reshapes the party around him. It could have been RFK Jr., but they used their grubby little ways to keep him off the ballot. And now who is out there?

    Posted by Ann Althouse at 6:36 AM


     
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