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The state of the democratic party

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Os Trigonum, Feb 27, 2021.

  1. HP3

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    You know what nvm, not worth the time.
     
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  3. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    You don't know me or what I do. I watched Maddow's entire election coverage because I like to consume a diversity of viewpoints. I don't agree with her on a lot, but she is sharp and polished and knows how to present her propaganda. A am certainly annoyed by Sam Seder's economic views (because I find them patronizing and stupid) but you don't watch his show enough if you don't know how much he an Emma bang on about lgbtq issues and racism and sexism, etc. I enjoy watching progressive content because it is like watching clowns at the circus. Maybe you only consume media through the lens of your bluesky feed, but some of us are able to pick and choose different sources with different perspectives. The progressives would be much more successful if they never again mentioned race or sex or gender. Those are losing issues, but over and over again they talk about how black women are the base of the party (roughly 6% of the country), how no one is illegal (a deeply unpopular stance), how crime is at all-time lows (just absolute lies by Emma Vigland), how police violence is a major issue in the United States and a hundred other braindead takes.

    I hope that David Hogg really gets everyone to stay the course in the Democratic Party though. The more these idiots keep lining up behind losing causes, the better it will be for the country. The irony that you think you have your finger on the pulse of the "Right" because of some comment someone made about dwarfs while questioning what information I take in is delicious though.
     
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    So when is Trump going to clean the poisoned blood of America that migrants have caused?

    When is Trump going to fix the dwarfism problem in the FAA?

    When is Trump going to make our dogs and cats safe from Hattians so they can go outside?

    When leftists talk about racism and bigotry is because the modern right is comically a scapegoat ideology that just blames anything that doesn't have any actual genuine power because blaming powerless people is a age old tactic of fascism.

    Please go ahead and tell me the proper ratio of appropriate discussion of bigotry that doesn't offend you from your favorite leftist content creators that I'm absolutely sure you watch through clip chimped content from some right wing influencer

    You seem like someone sincere about the future health of the Democrat party:rolleyes:

    And my recommendation is for Democrat leaders to stop their "we are the protectors of institutions and democracy" tag line and actually address the anger of American working class stretched thin. Americans need a targeted enemy group to be motivated to vote. The GOP has successfully targeted American anger towards the most powerless groups of humans because that allows the capital owners to still rob the working class blind. Democrats win when they convince Americans that landlords and capital owners are the enemy, not trans people and illegals that allow your frozen pack of jalapeno poppers 6 dollars instead of 12.

    For Democrats to win, unfortunately for you personally, they need to make people like you the enemy of the working class. They need to make landlords enemies. They need to make corporate executives enemies. That's how you win votes. You need to tell Americans who you need to hate. If their politicians aren't telling them to hate someone, they aren't motivated enough to vote. You need to understand the American voter. I understand why you don't want this as it harms your self interest and safety like how the GOP rhetoric is harming the safety of people with brown skin hence why people with brown skin are worried about GOP rhetoric like people with capital are worried about leftist rhetoric.
     
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    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    I think you have me confused with a Trump supporter. I voted Libertarian (and provided video evidence of such). I vastly prefer him to the Democrats and their idiocy, but I have my own issues with MAGA.
    You don't understand. I want them to talk non-stop about how racist and sexist and transphobic and whatever else their opponents are. Just like I want you to talk about how libertarians are really fascists. The more you do those things, the more everyone can see what a vapid and brainless ideology it all is, based entirely in (largely imagined) grievances. No amount of focus on culture war issues from progressives is too much for me. I think it's great that you have posted hundreds of times about Trump saying immigrants are poisoning the blood of our country. I hope you keep posting it every day. That and eating the dogs and Rockwell waxing lyrical. If the DNC could have you on their messaging team, it would be awesome.
     
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    If you disagree with migrants poisoning the blood of the nation or that Haitians are eating our cats and dogs then the blue haired wokists Emm Vigland isn't addressing you not you feel like she's addressing you, that's on you.

    See, Donald Trump is the current president of the United States. Leftists care when the individual in charge of the world's largest bureaucracy and world's most powerful military expressing Hitlarian race science and blood libel. You might get triggered when some random college blue haired girl says something disagreeable but we are referring to the political party running all three branches of government now encouraging Nazi rhetoric. The dude who has access to the Treasury Department billing system who is also the wealthiest person on the planet literally expressed the notion that Jews try to collectively make white people the enemy.


    The DNC isn't my friend. The people running the DNC like the status quo because DNC politicians are also beholden to capital interests so they aren't going to listen to my advice to convert the agreed Americans have for teams people, Muslims and migrants towards landlords and capital owners. That would win them a election became Americans need something to hate to get motivated to vote. The GOP has no moral issues scapegoating powerless people to create that hatred to motivate votes. Democrats don't have the spine to create enemies out of landlords and capital owners as they bread their butter also.
     
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    Yes Americans won't vote out of appeal towards empathy of migrants and trans people.

    Americans vote out of hatred of something they believe is at fault for their stretched thin lives. They'll vote out of hatred of landlords and capital owners. It's a tactical useful way to win even if you disagree with the ideology behind it.
     
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    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    Absolutely, it the most recent election proved anything, it is that the American people won't vote for billionaire real estate tycoons and capital owners.
     
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    The most recent election proved that you can brute force scapegoating. When politics effectively make the powerless scapegoats, the tech bro billionaire narcissists step in and govern.

    That's unfortunately how it works.
     
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    If only anyone had thought to brute force scapegoating against the billionaires. They could have portrayed people like Trump and Musk as Hitler, Nazis, fascists, criminals, racists, a threat to democracy, even the end of America as we know it. That they were calling for people to drink bleach and were creating concentration camps and taking all rights from women and minorities. What if someone had decided to make the focus on how the real enemy is the billionaire landlords and capital holders? What if the media was cooperative with this strategy. Surely that would have worked.
     
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    lol. pretty much the Key to a Championship Formula
     
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    They label Bloomberg as a Nazis? I'm sorry but he Democrat party isn't calling anyone who is a venture capitalist a Nazi. They are calling the dude who says that Jews organize to portray white people as villains who does a Seig Heil a Nazi.

    People call Trump a Nazi because he says **** like "Migrants poison the blood of the country".

    The Democrat party doesn't villiniaze our economic system. In fact they call it the "opportunity economy" and believe in the "temporarily embarrassed billionaire" mantra trying to convince working class Americans that some small businesses tax credits is what is what allows you to reach the ranks of Bezos and Musk.
     
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    Yep no accountability
     
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    "So when is Trump going to clean the poisoned blood of America that migrants have caused?"

    This one always gets me, since his mom and two of his three wife's were immigrants. This means Donald Jr., Ivanka, Eric, and Barron have this tainted blood.
     
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    A lot of myopia from both sides with strong political positions.

    The American people are not lock step with Trump and his grift - but the Democrats made it hard for some not to stay home or vote for anything but the status quo.

    Right now the MAGA are so drunk n their own power that they are setting themselves up for an epic slap down.

    As for the Democrats - they at some point will figure out that Americans don’t want to be told endlessly how horrible they are or how the interests of everyone else comes before their own interests. Like every other country on earth - the USA has selfish people and “trans rights”, Palestinians and other groups of people are not going to be a priority to many Americans.

    Tone it down - society is not going to change things that impact everyone to accommodate a very few, not when it is crammed down their throats. Which is exactly what Biden and his administration did.

    The Democrats need to stick strongly to core issues that impact large groups of people…. Workers rights, affordable housing, safety and education…
     
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    Democrats should distance themselves from this kind of bullshit and martyrdom. The Republicans are restricting medical care to women. Stick to that - Democrats win on the abortion issue when they don’t have morons having an oversized voice.
     
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