DOGE having access to government agencies is illegal

https://prospect.org/economy/2025-0...-musk-treasury-tankus-qa/?ref=crisesnotes.com

A handful of nonpartisan civil servants have worked to perfect the government’s payment plumbing and ensure that 1.4 billion payments a year, worth about $5.5 trillion, are delivered flawlessly and on time. Now, Silicon Valley expats in their early twenties are poring over the code, trying to reorient it into something that can withhold payments Musk deems illegal based on random Twitter posts. And that’s if the system doesn’t just melt down over the removal of fail-safe elements or the imposition of errant code.

 

this is basically all the right-wingers have. "LOL trigger the libs". "libs are upset LOL".

half this country just wants to see the other half trolled and they are more than happy to see it all burn down to do so. its just so bizarre.

anyone who actually works in the corporate world knows that instability and chaos are bad, but its the thing trumpers seem to love the most.

 

lol, not a right winger, still a registered Democrat. But I must say you folks are trying my patience.

Unless all of you have PhDs in electrical engineering from MIT, I'd say you're still pretty much all talking out of your proverbial asses, and a wait-and-see approach still seems to me to be the best policy. Your collective mileage of course may vary.

 

@astros123 faints

 

I've been a programmer for over 40 year. But it doesn't take a genius to know you don't let Elon Musk and a group of zoomers anywhere near a mission critical 5 trillion dollar payment system. One that probably runs on Cobol, duct tape and bailing wire that would take years of experience to manage correctly.

The silicon valley mantra of "move fast and break things" doesn't work with decades old mission critical software systems.

 

Hopefully they have a backup of a backup of a backup of a backup of a backup of a backup of a backup of a backup of a backup of a backup of a backup of a backup of a backup on Earth and Mars.

(weird bug with quotes)

 

So, we have to be an MIT PhD to comment on this thread but the actual guy making code changes is a 2021 Rutgers grad.

https://www.rawstory.com/musk-treasury-doge/

"Not only does Marko [Elez] have full privileges in this system but has indeed begun rewriting the code base of this critical system, significantly rewriting the software for this critical system," Marshall reported.

"I was talking to staffers to today detailing one of the gizmocrats who is largely on his own rewriting the code base of one of the U.S. government's most mission critical computer systems," Marshall reported Monday night, before confirming Elez's name. "And as it was described to me the staff programmers who used to manage that code and system are sort of like helping him because they’re so terrified that he’s going to go haywire, but also begging him to be careful etc.

"Meanwhile they only know this guy as 'Fred' (I’ve substituted a different name for now). So you’ve this crazy situation and in addition to all the other absurdity of the situation as they try to help or beg 'Fred' to be careful they’re don’t even know who 'Fred' actually is, as in a last name, or whether 'Fred' is even his name. That’s what happening right now in your federal government."

 

why are you a registered democrat? what policies of theirs do you support?

you spend 98% of your time here supporting right-wing/trump policies and arguing with democrats (you even have a dedicated thread where you repost non-right-wingers calling right-wingers names while totally ignoring right-wingers calling people names) so i find it odd that you claim to be a registered democrat.

dont need a PhD from MIT to know that having a bunch of un-elected/non-government tech bros who are barely out of high school going through government servers and accessing private information like SS#'s is f***ed up.

and my point stands that the thing people like you seem to love most about trump is that he is getting people "worked up". yall love that he is "trolling the libs".

 

Great. So explain your fears as best you see them. And nothing special about MIT PhDs . . . many of Trump’s in-house oligarchs never even finished college

 

You beat me to it with the edit, that is absolutely ****ing insane. How do we know they aren't installing malicious software on these mission critical systems? The feds, secret service, or someone needs to be overseeing this at the minimum.

 

I added context from the article to the post you quoted, but I'll add some more.

The systems are ancient and fragile and written in programming languages that have been virtually dead for 30 years. You have to know the ins and outs of the system to not severely **** things up. Even the brightest 25 year old in the world isn't capable of going in and writing code for such a system in a couple days. It would take months or years to ramp up the knowledge needed to work with a system like this.

But that's just the programming aspect. The other is that an outside force is now in charge of a 5 trillion dollar payment system. That's a much larger fear than a kid mucking about in a software system he doesn't understand.

 

So the worlds richest man who's also an emotionally stunted narcissistic drug addict has a minion commandeering a system that controls 1/5 of the US economy.

https://www.crisesnotes.com/day-fiv...-crisis-of-2025-not-read-only-access-anymore/

Two of those sources say that Elez’s privileges include the ability not just to read but to write code on two of the most sensitive systems in the US government: The Payment Automation Manager (PAM) and Secure Payment System (SPS) at the Bureau of the Fiscal Service (BFS). Housed on a top-secret mainframe, these systems control, on a granular level, government payments that in their totality amount to more than a fifth of the US economy. [...]

 

Well the fact that they are not being transparent is troublesome. When career employees who are a-political resign, it's concerning. When people brought in without training on security and privacy to go through data, it's alarming. You have people who are ostensibly outside gov't and part of Musk's private companies without clear understanding of what they are actually doing and how they are using that data - you should be alarmed.

We shouldn't have to speculate on what they are doing. Nor should we have to wait and see. It's not just social security numbers that can be released or sold here. They know exactly how much money is being dispersed to every single American and to where. Account numbers, addresses, etc. No president has ever had access to that info - no politician. The idea of a secure database is that no one should be looking at personal data without any training or protocol. There are likely many laws being violated here, including HIPPA laws.

Yet anyone who pushes back against these kids are being threatened by the administration with criminal prosecution. You know very well if any democrat did what these guys did, you'd be posting fervently about it.

So what gives?

 

Only eunuchs feel such a need to suck up to billionaires.

 

Once checks stop coming . . . . . .


Rocket River

 

This is how they view life .. . .

Rocket River

 

Drug addled nazi-empathizing billionaire tries to illegally cancel an entire government agency - what can go wrong?

"Multiple USAID sources have told me that contractors abroad have lost access to Scry Panic, a piece of agency software used to broadcast that a contractor or staffer is in extreme danger. Without it, they could be kidnapped or attacked with no way of seeking USAID help"​

Also FWiw - I have read that "USAID official" is frequently used as official cover for CIA & other US Intelligence operatives abroad.

Like i said, this is mission impossible **** but just much dumber, but ooooh boy I'm sure some 59.5 year old with a twitter JD is fixing to tell you different.