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Reed Looking More & More Like A Bust!

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Imanimal, Dec 28, 2024.

  1. xiki

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    No, Holiday brings less. Semantics? Hmm…
     
  2. roslolian

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    I dont think 33 games out of 44 can still be considered "a small sample size". 33 games is def way larger than 1 game ;)
     
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    That veteran know how gave them -12 last night and the 3rd pick potential gave them +7....
     
  4. ThatBoyNick

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    You are resorting to sourcing single game statistics as an argument over the season long sample?

    Reed was in the rotation over Holiday for the first 29 out of 31 games this season.

    He has a 41% TS and gets thoroughly cooked on defense. -9 on/off split

    Holiday 56% TS, not great but tries and is way more physical on defense, +2.9 on/off split


    This whole time over the last 3+ years I thought you made solid statistical points and observations on Jalen as a poster/fan who wasn't afraid to call out a player playing bad when that player is playing bad. Here you are doing the exact opposite. Guess it's all down to your personal preference on the players and nothing objective, which is a bit shocking.
     
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    lol
     
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    23/48 games Jalen has shot under 40% from the field. So his "good" games and his "bad" games are roughly a 50/50 split. 23 bad. 25 good. Putting it simply. Should Jalen be judged by this? Probably yeah. He's in his 4th year. Should Reed be judged by his production his rookie year on the 2nd best team in the West? Probably not.

    But I do think that regardless of Jalen's spotty production, he should be the starting SG at least through next season. I also think Reed should get all of Holiday's minutes so long as he's not gun shy like he was earlier this season.
     
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    Teach me how to be less r****ded KC
     
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    I hear the Kings are kinda on a down trend. Especially with all the Fox news looming. I think adding Reed Sheppard would lift the teams spirits.
     
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    Do the coaches think he would learn and improve more by staying with the team? I dont understand why this guy isnt with the Vipers playing more games.
     
  11. Francis3422

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    I really wish that we would just let Reed play 15 to 20 minutes a game. It might take a year for him to get comfortable, but he is simply too naturally talented and instinctive to fail, but we just need to accelerate the growth process by letting him get his ass whooped.
     
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    Agreed. Those who want Holiday are prioritizing the perceived advantage that he gives us right now ("win now"), and there is nothing wrong with that. However, those who would rather see Reed play are prioritizing more long-term winning and the advantages that he could bring in the future. Each is worth considering, but I think that Reed's development is more important than any advantages that Holiday gives.
     
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    He must be cursing the basketball gods he wasn't the #3 pick with Silas as the head coach.
     
  14. Imanimal

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    I actually thought Reed looked ok on offense last night (passed the ball well), but still yet another game with no free throws. He needs to work on his defense too. I called him a “potential” bust but do see some improvement if he can become more aggressive. We have the best coaching staff in basketball and I hope they can get this guy over the proverbial hump because we are really weak at point guard behind FVV. I still think there’s hope he can turn it around this season and avoid being an actual bust. Maybe FVV’s injury will give him a shot (no pun intended).
     
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    Every situation is different, if we were talking about a player who was getting 30 minutes a game then absolutely the full season numbers tell you the most....however, if you are talking about a rookie who is in and out of the rotation....and in and out of the league, you can't base a lot on a sample that has such a large percentage of garbage time.

    When it comes to weird situations like that, I look at what the player has done when given their first real minutes since being sent down, and it was a very solid performance on both ends. We got to see both players in the game last night for a direct comparison in non garbage time. Sheppard was nigh and day better than Holiday at everything.

    Give it a proper sample of non-garbage time minutes and the noise will clear up. At that point, the numbers will be more meaningful.
     
  16. ThatBoyNick

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    Thank you, I'm cured.
     
  17. roslolian

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    We are almost halfway thru the season this is enough sample size to just look at their average.

    On the average Jalen Green is shooting 35% from 3 along with 55.6% TS. That is acceptable for a starting SG and along with his elite defense shows why he is the starter for the 2nd best team in the L.

    Reed Sheppard on average is scoring below 3 pts on 28% from 3 and 41% TS. Thats not good enough to get minutes on any non tanking team. From the objective of trying to win games what the hell is even the basis of giving Holiday's mins to Sheppard? Yeah on a team that needs 3 pt shooting bench the 37% 3 pt shooter for the 28% 3 pt shooter?

    Sheppard will need to prove he is better than Holiday if he wants to play more than garbage time. Its called "earning minutes". He needs to be balling out every time he is on the floor and only then should he supplant Holiday.
     
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    You literally said Sheppard is better than Holiday based on just one game what proper sample are you even talking about?

    So we need lots of games to show Sheppard is a scrub but we need only 1 game to know he does everything better than Holiday????
     
  19. KingCheetah

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    There is no cure.

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  20. Bobbythegreat

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    I said that it was obvious when watching the game. Sheppard has been better defensively all season, last night his shot started falling a bit better in his first real minutes in over a month. Reed Sheppard has better overall skills, even as a rookie. The only thing that held him back early in the season was that he was rushing his shots. He's doing that less now.

    That said, you really do need to let the people who matter talk and head back to the corner.
     

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