Rockets, Blazers recently conducted trade talks centered on Robert Williams III

I don’t think anyone is upset about landing Timelord.

Did I miss those posts?

You SHOULD be upset at the incredibly stupid notion that Timelord would takeover for Alperen Sengun.

 

I would be upset at getting Timelord. He costs 12M a year and is always injured.

Even if he is healthy, Udoka isnt playing 3 centers a game lol. I'm happy with Sengun/Adams combo and when Jabari comes back he will get some time at backup center as welland Tari will play some PF so Cam can get more than 10 mins.

 

dont need another center,our big three enough for this year because of adaptation period.we need another guard urgently

 

get this trade done. i can't deal with Landale minutes anymore.

 

I can sympathize with the Landale thing, but the trade target in question is never healthy.
You might as well sign me up. Sure, I'm 6'1", awkwardly white, and 56 years old, but I'd be just as efficient.
(I'd certainly take the $$$ !!!)

 

I'm happy with Adams. I'm okay/happy with Jabari as a small ball center.

That said, I'd be much more comfortable with Time Lord in the playoffs over Adams and JSJ. Adams is much more mobile now than at the beginning of the season, but he still doesn't close out well when he decides to close out. Not a big loss if he can't play.

For a likely cheap cost, it would be worth bringing him in. Also, he's under contract for 25-26 for about 8% of the salary cap. Whether he's healthy or not, That is a contract that isn't too detrmiental to the Rockets cap, but would bring the Rockets up to $26M in expiring contracts for 25-26 not counting FVV and young guys.

 

Literally 2 years lol. 12M for a player of his caliber is cheap but when you count for the fact that he is Mr. GLASS then it's not cheap he is actually expensive per game. Right now he missed 60% of the season so you are effectively paying him 24M every game he has played. Last year he only played 6 games. Pretty sure Mr Glass has missed more games than he has played his entire career. Blazers want him gone cuz they know he is a lemon.

Sure in a perfect world you've like Timelord over Adams. But we don't live in a perfect world we live in a world where Timelord has never been healthy and will likely never be healthy. You only see the perfect scenario not the LIKELY scenario. We don't want to pay Sengun, Adams and Timelord that's a max contract on just 1 position combined. I'd rather keep Landale (who was actually decent btw) and work on an extension with Adams than trade for Timelord and then stress whether he will be healthy to play or not.

You'd like Williams over Adams and JSJ in the playoffs but what's your guarantee he will be available to play in the playoffs? How do you know he is just barely holding it in and will collapse like a lego brick house once we get him? Dude missed all of last season and just played 17 games so far. Let that sink in.

 

Jeff Green gets $8mm year. Landale gets $8mm year. Even when fully healthy no one would mistake their production for above avg. NBA players and there are weeks at a time when Green and Landale get 0 minutes. Is that any different from Williams being injured?

I think focusing on $12mm relative to some of our contracts is not a wise approach. I'd be thrilled to have Williams' defensive versatility and shot blocking during half-court dominated Playoff series. And if he's injured for half the year, I'd just chalk it up to minutes the likes of Landale and Green would ride the bench for anyway. DNP - Coach Decision and DNP = Always Injured yield the same contribution to the team.

 

You realize they are the insurance right? What happens when your insurance are the ones injured when you need them to play? The difference is Landale and Jeff are there to play and WIlliams isn't. That's the difference.

Even if you crap on Landale the fact he was out there playing is better than WIlliams just playing 6 games last season and 17 games this season. Imagine Sengun is out so Ime turns to Williams who is also out and even more games than Sengun? That's just a clown move.

Landale earlier despite not playing for months still put up 8 and 3 and +5 on a game we lost by 1. Take him away and replace him with Williams sitting on the bench that's a comfortable win by Memphis. Or maybe we force Sengun to play on a tight ankle and he aggravates it and is out for a month. Whole point of having backups is to spell the injured guys, if the backup is more injured than the guy he is supposed to back up what the hell is the point of him? He's nice for NBA 2K and that's about it.

The problem with your assumption is you think if WIlliams misses half the season he will be available for the other half of the season. Like if you reserve him in the regular season he will be healthy in the playoffs. That's not how injuries work. If you are brittle like WIlliams just doing practice can give you a season ending injury. Clippers rested Kawhi for 2 seasons and he got injured game 3 of the playoffs. WIlliams missed all but 6 games last season and now he only played 17 games of almost 40 games. Dude was resting all of last year AND HE IS STILL INJURED THIS YEAR.

Williams will miss half the season, he will play for 1 month and then he'll be injured the rest of the season. Playoffs come he will play 1 game and then be out till next year. That's the pattern of WIlliams thats why Celtics dumped him and now Blazer are trying to pawn him off too.

Portland is clearly shopping Williams and hasnt been playing him because they are afraid he will get injured again before he gets traded. Portland literally trying to scam a team and you are falling for it lmao.

 

Landale sucks but at least he is available when we need a third string center. With how often Adams is out, we should prioritize availability.

 

We should inquire about Capela

Rocket River

 

Ok first of all it seems like I touched a Landale nerve. "Even if you crap on Landale" - I literally lumped him and Green together and never once singled either out. I'm not sure whatever bias you read my post with but brother I want nothing but the best for Landale and his contribution to this team. And what's more, Landale was a FA 2 years ago. The NBA told you he's a below avg big, not me. The NBA isn't paying above average, or average, bigs $8mm/year especially before they turn 30 (as was the case w/ Jock.)

Now then...

What insurance? Our depth is our insurance. Adams is our insurance. How many injuries to wings does this team need for Jeff Green "insurance" to come in handy? You'd need literally 3 or potentially even 4 guys hurt for that to be relevant. And if you're reaching for your 12th or 13th man I got news for you brother. That isn't going to end well.

The false security in believing you can roll w/ these 12th, 13th man types for $8mm year and presume that's some sort of functional insurance rather than just bad contracts soaking up cap space is unwise. Robert Williams would be insurance. You're comingling the aura and concept of safety through sheer numbers with actual functional depth that can provide avg. play to sustain you through injuries.

And no the difference is, Landale and Green are always available to play and yet still never play. If Williams was available to play he would be no worse than the 7th or 8th person in our rotation. THAT is the difference. But that's also the trade-off w/ his availability. To presume it's birds of a feather and that the only difference b/n a Landale, a Jeff Green, and a Timelord is their availability is - my friend - the clown move.

We can debate further and I'm happy to do that but we have to be intellectually honest; Robert Williams is an above avg NBA player as evidenced by his consistently positive BPM every year he's been in the league and his multiple years with >1 VORP. I'll focus on Landale, as you did, and the evidence is clear that he's a below avg NBA player given that in his 4 years he's never had a positive BPM and has never put up 0.5 VORP.

 

Landale played tonight in fact he played 18 mins so clearly you would be wrong there. Jeff Green has played in 13 games which is only 4 less than Timelord has played lol.

You know if I was a 7 fter with an accurate 3 pt shot I would be in the NBA. But I'm not. If WIlliams was available to play he would be a great get but the reality is he's not. Instead of the good stuff Williams can do when he is healthy why don't you realize he isn't healthy? It doesn't matter how good he is if he can't play. I can replace timelord and YOU can replace timelord if he is just sitting on the bench. He can be Jordan, Lebron and Hakeem combined it doesn't matter if he is injured. So to compare his ability to Landale or even Jeff is irrelevant cuz he can't even play.

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These are his games played the last 3 seasons this makes you have confidence we can rolle with him? That he will be there when the Rox have injuries? Nobody is denying Timelord is much better than Landale but what's the point of that when he isn't available? Just look at Timelord history what makes you think he will be there to play in the playoffs? As he ages you think he will be more healthy or even more injury prone? What you think happens to player health?

Like I said you can't predict injuries. You can reserve TimeLord and sit him out to preserve him and when you need him that's when he is injured. I actually don't mind getting rid of Landale and Jeff for an upgrade. But let's get a guy who is reliable to play.

 

bro im ok with taking the injury risk.

what he brings is a clear upgrade to the 3rd big spot, and when we have injuries like we do or want to play small, he fits that sooo much better.

we literally had tari and amen playing the 5 last night for long stretches. Thats not sustainable or valuable for us.

 

The extra possessions that Adams gets us by offensive rebounding will be key in the playoffs. I would stand pat for now unless Timelord is super cheap.

 

It actually proves my point. Landale has played 226 minutes this year. Williams has played 294. Williams has played 30% more than Landale. The guy you say is always injured, never available, and would be no use b/c of of that has played more than the guy you consider insurance.

Actually, you were...

That was absurd and I'm glad you changed your mind.

LOL you're doing the 1 game +/- thing? For a guy that played 16 mins? And you're assuming Williams wouldn't have been available? And you're assuming in the future Jabari also would not be available? And that during non Landale/Williams minutes we wouldn't miss 3 layups in the last 2 mins and let FVV take 2 30 footers? I mean, the context is all of those things and 100 others and you're trying to break it down to:
Landale +
Williams would be injured
= we lose (the game we already lost).

Brother...that's quite some mental gymnastics to prove yourself right...to yourself.

This is where it gets wierd b/c you are literally doing things like assuming Williams will miss half the year and then taking an ad-hoc 1 game sample and assuming Williams would have missed that.

I'm not sure what to make of all this other than Williams has played 30% more than Landale in this NBA season. The LOGICAL assumption therefore would be to assume Williams would have been available if called upon every time Landale was. Now you're taking that baseline and slicing it up 10 different ways to construct a narrative about Williams only being injured whenever we'd need him. I dunno brother. I dunno. But I do know I disagree. Vehemently.

 

the problem with adams, which is why he didnt play extended minutes, is that he cant guard in space or switch. We have to employ an entirely different defensive scheme.

We were getting cooked on his defensive possessions and they started the game with something like 14pts in the paint in the 1st quarter. Hes amazing for what he is, backup brute to secure extra possessions against backups in small spurts.

 

We can expect an improved Adams next season, that's always the case with this injury.

Really want us to keep Adams no matter what to be honest. I would give him a 4-year declining contract starting at $10m/season from next season. I really feel there are invisible benefits, the youngsters will all be like 3% better because of it.

Here's the problem. Can't believe I didn't realize Steve-O is such a poor FT shooter. He's always had defensive problems when teams force him anywhere outside the paint, but you can accept a lot of drop coverage from a backup C. However, not on this team. I'm starting to see him more as the long term 3rd C in a dynasty.

I'm more interested in Williams than ever but only for a very late first at most. Otherwise please for the love of god let's get Vucevic. The offense from any of Amen/Green/Cam/Tari would be glorious in those minutes. They would increase their drive rate and assist rate significantly. We would see what these players are capable of in average spacing for once.

Aren't you at least curious what life would be like if there was just significantly better shooting and average spacing around Sengun/Amen/Green? Like pretty much everyone in the NBA gets to see it. We only see it when Jabari starts at the 5. Actually there was never a time when Sengun/Jabari/Brooks/Green/FVV were all shooting decently around Sengun. Green only started shooting better just before Jabari went down. Jabari didn't shot well the first quarter of the season. We've never actually seen average spacing. It might blow our minds, given where our record is at already.

 

Portland has Ayton and Clingan. And, they aren't ready to compete.
Williams has been coming back from knee surgery and is finally ready.
It was always going to be a deadline deal to a contender.
He's good to go for 20 - 25 minutes/ gm.