Elon's biggest problem @ Twitter - he's not funny at tweeting

I pretty much find that orthodox Jews pretty much keep to themselves....see Williamsburg...

Adolf wanted to be a painter and the school he wanted to get in had Jews in their upper ranks.

One thing he wrote in his memoirs was that he hated Communists as much but we don't hear about Communists in the camps, although I think there were some.

Afd (alt right booming party in Germany) and their leader Weidel called Hitler a Communist.

She distances herself from Adolf while her 2nd in Command Höcke is a fanboy.

 

Musk bet Sam Harris a million dollars to charity that there wouldn’t be even 35000 covid cases in the US, and ended his friendship after Harris pointed out he lost the bet.

 

Well if Sam Harris was so damn smart, he wouldn't have shown up Elon like that!

 

Scientists are flocking to Bluesky because of "fewer Nazis"

People don't like Nazis. Who knew?

 

CNN's Scott Jennings defends Elon Musk's Nazi salute — until he's asked to "do it right now on TV"

and

MAGA official who copies Elon Musk's Nazi salute forced to resign

 

A coalition of Jewish groups announced on Monday that they will no longer post on X, the social media site owned by right-wing billionaire and Donald Trump's Co-President Elon Musk, saying the platform has been overrun with antisemitic hate speech.

"Under the leadership of Elon Musk, X has reduced content moderation, promoted white supremacists, and re-platformed purveyors of conspiracy theories,” 15 Jewish groups, including the Union for Reform Judaism, the Central Conference of American Rabbis, and the American Conference of Cantors, wrote in a statement. “Musk himself has re-posted content that is antisemitic and xenophobic, promoting it to his millions of followers. The hateful posts on X are harmful to Jews and people of all faiths and no faiths.”

The announcement comes as Musk has refused to apologize for making a Nazi salute at Trump's Inauguration Day rally.

Musk has joked about the salute, writing in a post on X, "Don't say Hess to Nazi accusations! Some people will Goebbels anything down! Stop Gőring your enemies! His pronouns would’ve been He/Himmler! Bet you did nazi that coming."

Musk's post references the evil Nazi leaders who helped Adolf Hitler carry out his genocide of the Jewish people.

It also comes after Musk made a surprise video address to a gathering of Germany's far-right Alternative für Deutschland party in which he said it is “good to be proud of German culture, German values, and not to lose that in some sort of multiculturalism that dilutes everything”; that “children should not be guilty of the sins of their parents, let alone their great-grandparents”; and that there is “too much focus on past guilt, and we need to move beyond that."​

 

Musk nominated for Nobel Peace Prize by European Parliament member

https://thehill.com/policy/international/5116716-elonn-musk-nobel-peace-prize-nomination/

 

Elon Musk deserves the Nobel Peace Prize

https://thehill.com/opinion/technology/5116570-elon-musk-nobel-peace-prize/

 

Do you know what "Nazi" is an abbreviation for?

Nationalsozialisten

Literally - national socialists.

 

Another bullseye

 

Thank you for your detailed reasoning.

Here is mine (with some obvious help).

1. The Name Itself: “National Socialist”

• Literal Interpretation: The party explicitly used the word “Socialist”—it was not hidden or peripheral. This was central enough that the party was known as the “National Socialist German Workers’ Party” (NSDAP).
  
  
• Deliberate Focus on Workers: Nazi propaganda heavily targeted workers, promising better wages, job security, and social welfare within a nationalist framework. If they were purely “right-wing” elitists, why bother branding themselves as “socialists” and courting the working class?
  
  
• Exclusivist, but Still Socialist: Critics often say the Nazis cynically used “Socialist” only as a tactic. However, a fair reading might be that they believed in socialism strictly for the “Aryan” German people, rejecting any form of class hierarchy within that group but excluding “undesirables” (as defined by Nazi racial ideology). In other words, it was national socialism rather than international socialism.
  

2. Centralized Economic Control and Planned Economy

• Heavy State Intervention: The Nazi regime exercised intense control over the German economy, determining production quotas, orchestrating massive public-works projects (e.g., the Autobahn), and dictating industrial policy. In a free-market, “right-wing” system, the government typically takes a more hands-off approach.
  
  
• Price and Wage Controls: The Nazis set wages and prices in various industries and used state power to coordinate economic policy—an unmistakably interventionist, arguably socialist, approach.
  
  
• Big Government Spending: Nazi Germany massively increased public expenditures, including on rearmament and infrastructure. Although the main aim was militarization, large-scale state spending is more reminiscent of socialist or statist economic models than of laissez-faire capitalism.
  

3. Anti-Capitalist and Anti-Finance Rhetoric

• Hostility to ‘Plutocrats’: The Nazis frequently railed against “Jewish financiers” and what they saw as exploitative “finance capitalism.” They often framed big financial institutions—especially international ones—as parasitic on the German worker and nation. Such hostility aligns more with socialist critiques of global finance than with free-market, right-wing ideology.
  
  
• Overlap with Socialist Critiques: In their propaganda, the Nazis echoed certain left-wing talking points about class exploitation (albeit reframed as a racial struggle). They vilified certain forms of capital (especially international banks) as anti-German and exploitative.
  
  
• Wealth Distribution (for Aryans): While the Nazis did not seek to eliminate private property altogether, their ideal was an “ethno-socialist” order in which wealth was managed for the benefit of the Volk (the ethnic German community). They replaced class conflict with a “racial community,” but the end result was still a major reorganization of the economy under state control.
  

4. Social Welfare Programs for Germans

• Extensive Social Programs: The Nazi regime introduced social welfare policies aimed at improving living standards for “racially pure” Germans—maternity benefits, child allowances, subsidized vacations (Strength Through Joy, or Kraft durch Freude), and more. Such paternalistic state care is often associated with socialist governments.
  
  
• Labor Laws (for Loyalty): Although independent trade unions were crushed, the regime’s German Labor Front provided various programs and benefits to loyal workers. From a certain angle, one could view it as a form of corporatist socialism: the state acting as a unifying power that “protects” workers—so long as they comply with the regime’s ideology.
  

5. The Case That “Far-Right” Is a Leftist Framing

• Left-Wing Historiography: Many academics who study Nazism originate from or adopt left-liberal or Marxist perspectives, leading them to place Nazism at the “far-right” end of the political spectrum. Critics argue this is in part to distance socialism from the atrocities of the Nazi regime.
  
  
• Political Use of “Far-Right” Label: In contemporary politics, calling the Nazis “far-right” can serve as a rhetorical device to paint modern conservatives, nationalists, or populists with the same brush, essentially stigmatizing them by association.
  
  
• Ideological Spectrum as Oversimplified: The traditional “left-right” paradigm does not always adequately capture authoritarian, totalitarian movements. Some suggest that totalitarian movements—whether Stalinist or Nazi—end up being similar in practice, regardless of whether they come from the left or right.
  

6. Conclusion of the Pro-Nazi-Socialism Argument
From this viewpoint, one can argue that the Nazis were indeed socialists—albeit of an exclusivist, racialized, and authoritarian variety. They championed a strong central state, orchestrated the economy, suppressed free-market principles when it suited them, and enacted social welfare programs (though only for their chosen in-group). Their anti-capitalist rhetoric and public branding as a “workers’ party” further lend credence to the notion that National Socialism was, in fact, a form of socialism—just not the internationalist, egalitarian socialism commonly championed by the mainstream left.

 

not the internationalist, egalitarian socialism commonly championed by the mainstream left

 

Are you trying to make a point? It is unclear from your post.

Every party was much more nationally focused in the 1920s and 1930s, there was no internet, globally accessible media, etc. So that part you selectively quoted doesn't really apply to the times back then.

 

Which LLM did you use, and what prompt?

ChatGPT says this when I give the prompt: "In what sense was Nazism socialist?"


Nazism incorporated some elements traditionally associated with socialism, but these were redefined and subordinated to its nationalist and racial ideology. The term "socialist" in National Socialist German Workers' Party (NSDAP) was largely a rhetorical tool to attract working-class support, rather than an indication of Marxist-style socialism. However, in practice, Nazism did integrate certain policies that could be considered socialist in a limited sense:

1. State Intervention in the Economy
While Nazi Germany maintained private ownership of businesses, the state exercised significant control over economic activity. This included:

• Massive public works programs (e.g., the Autobahn) to reduce unemployment and stimulate the economy.
• Centralized economic planning, particularly in the military-industrial complex, where the government directed production priorities.
• Price and wage controls to prevent inflation and maintain economic stability.
• Limits on individual capitalist autonomy, where business leaders had to align with state directives.

While this level of state intervention resembles socialist economic planning, the key difference is that it was not done to empower workers or abolish capitalism, but rather to strengthen the state and prepare for war.

2. Social Welfare Programs
The Nazi regime implemented extensive welfare programs aimed at benefiting ethnic Germans, including:

• Subsidized housing and family benefits for "Aryan" families.
• State-sponsored vacations and leisure programs through organizations like Kraft durch Freude (Strength Through Joy).
• Healthcare and pension expansions to improve living conditions (for those deemed racially acceptable).

These policies mirrored socialist welfare initiatives, but unlike leftist socialism, which aims to support all workers regardless of nationality or race, Nazi welfare programs were racially exclusive and served to reinforce social hierarchy rather than eliminate it.

3. Anti-Capitalist Rhetoric (But Not Practice)
Nazis often used anti-capitalist rhetoric, particularly against "Jewish finance" and international banking elites, blaming them for Germany's economic struggles. This mirrored some socialist critiques of capitalism but was rooted in conspiracy theories and racial ideology rather than class struggle. In practice, the Nazi government collaborated extensively with industrialists and capitalists, provided they served the national interest.

4. Abolition of Class Conflict (In Theory)
Nazism rejected the Marxist idea of class struggle, replacing it with the concept of Volksgemeinschaft ("people's community"), where workers and industrialists were expected to work together for the good of the nation. This meant:

• Outlawing independent labor unions.
• Replacing worker movements with the state-controlled German Labor Front (DAF).
• Promoting cooperation between workers and employers under state oversight, rather than worker control of production.

This "socialism" was nationalistic rather than class-based, as it sought to unite classes under a common racial and national identity rather than redistribute wealth or power.

Bottom Line
Nazism was socialist only in a very limited, nationalistic sense—meaning state intervention, social programs, and rhetoric aimed at economic unity—but it fundamentally rejected core socialist principles like class struggle, worker control of production, and economic equality. Instead, it preserved private property, maintained capitalism under state oversight, and used economic policies to serve its racial and militaristic goals. This is why historians and political scientists typically classify Nazism as a form of fascism, not socialism.

 

Every time socialism fails (which is every single time), leftist historians will say "but that wasn't real socialism - there wasn't class struggle and there wasn't worker control of production!!1!!1"

ChatGPT obviously "learns" from these documents by leftist historians.

But even then, the majority of what you quoted actually says that many of their policies were, indeed, socialist (as their name already suggests). Of course they were also horrible racist fascists, but that is clearly not mutually exclusive - just look at all the socialists supporting the modern day Nazis, Hamas.

 

How is this relevant given that Nazi socialism is not the internationalist, egalitarian socialism commonly championed by the mainstream Left?

 

Name an example of where socialism - be it "internationalist, egalitarian socialism commonly championed by the mainstream Left" has ever sustainably improved people's living circumstances?

 

Please answer my question first.

 

Thank you for acknowledging that the Nazis were socialists.

 

Which part of that do you disagree with? And, what was the LLM and prompt that you used?

The United States "supported" Islamist rebels in various armed conflicts, but this doesn't mean that the US political system is somehow Islamist and aligned with its religious tenets. In general, one can support armed resistance against another military power without being in ideological alignment with the people who make up that resistance.

So, it doesn't follow that because a self-identifying socialist group "supports" Hamas in some way that they are in agreement with Hamas's antisemitic positions or support Jews living under subjugation or being expelled from Israel.

Subjugation of a people based on racial hierarchies was fundamental to Nazism. That isn't true for modern socialist movements, and in fact is the opposite of what modern socialist movements advocate for.