that excerpt from section 3 quoted above seems to emphasize actual law-breaking. Protesting per se is not breaking the law; vandalism and property damage as a form of protest does break the law. Pro-Palestinian Activists Vandalize A.D. White Statue on First Day of Semester https://cornellsun.com/2025/01/21/p...ze-a-d-white-statue-on-first-day-of-semester/
Do you think deportation fits the crime of spray painting a statue? Fine them with misdemeanor charges? Sure. Suspend them, I get it. Also is it just physical vandalism? A efficient tactic in criminalizing protests is suddenly creating situations where you can dish out trespassing charges. So in essence a lot of people if trespassing is one of the crimes can be deported for merely protesting and having that protest be inherently deemed illegal. Its circular.
this question doesn't follow. Universities and/or local police prosecute student criminal activity. The federal government deports people. You have to keep straight on who is doing what. none of what you say here makes sense, because of what I stated above. Universities have codes of conduct that students must adhere to; local and state laws must be obeyed if students do not want to be arrested and prosecuted; and the federal government has its own jurisdictional authority and responsibilities.
I understand all these things. Like be frank with me dude. You know I know this things. So obviously I'm coming from a normative "should we light to do this" angle. Not "this is how it is" angle. Do you believe institutions not just in America use the concept of trespassing to silence protests? I think it's a common thing that happens and I don't think it's good. That's all.
@Os Trigonum Is lying like usual cuz all he does is rehab MAGA. If you read the entire executive order it also specially states any individual should be deported if they participate in events to , "overthrow or replacement of the culture on which the republic was founded in." If you are simply at the protest you are also deemed fit for deportation and stephen miller confirmed this. You do not have to commit a crime to have your visas canceled. Trump admin is trying to argue that visa holders do not hold the same rights as citizens.
your question is about all institutions and "not just in America"?? I cannot speak to all institutions throughout the entire world. I do know that the institution I'm most familiar with bends over backwards to accommodate student protests while at the same time protecting the rights of other students to get an education that they all pay a lot of money for. It's a balancing act to be sure.
Do you think most of the criminalization of Palestinian protesters in college campuses this year come from sincere place of trying to prevent students from not being able to use university facilities or from a bad faith place of wealthy donors attempting to criminalize the protest of a nation state and close ally of US foreign policy doing what the students believe is a ethnic cleansing? I know your answer will be somewhere around "I haven't considered it. I don't know". That's fine if you don't. Just consider it I guess.
that's a long, breathless question without a whole lot of punctuation to break it up. I am not aware of any widespread "criminalization of Palestinian protesters {on} college campuses" this year. I do, however, know that Columbia University specifically has had a tremendous problem with non-student protesters coming on to that campus and disrupting classes and other campus academic activities in a big way. I think the disruptive law-breaking activities of all-purpose protesters needs to be separated out from the protests done by students on their own campuses. If you have a specific incident or incidents in mind, other than Columbia, let me know what those are, and I will try to consider those.
of course im accurate. You can read the entire EO here. All @Os Trigonum does is lie to rehab MAGA. Its pathetic If you are a visa holder and simply attend a palestinian protest you are eligble for deportation under the EO. Thats a fact https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/additional-measures-to-combat-anti-semitism/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/presiden...rnational-security-and-public-safety-threats/
a foreign national with an F-1 student visa is in the country legally. Unless that visa is revoked, that student is allowed to stay in the United States.
The EO gives power to the secretary of homeland security to revoke any visa for a invidivual who displays hostility. Stephen miller has already confirmed this applies to student visas "And the United States must ensure that admitted aliens and aliens otherwise already present in the United States do not bear hostile attitudes toward its citizens, culture, government, institutions, or founding principles, and do not advocate for, aid, or support designated foreign terrorists and other threats to our national security." Protesting in the name of Palestine in theory bears hostile attitudes towards us culture. I obviously dont agree with this but this is what their going with https://www.whitehouse.gov/presiden...rnational-security-and-public-safety-threats/
for the sake of argument, let us suppose that the student described below was a foreign national on an F-1 student visa (he was not). After being convicted and sentenced, he would serve his jail term. After which, he would be deported as he would no longer have a valid visa. https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/form...online-threats-against-jewish-students-campus Former Cornell Student Sentenced for Posting Online Threats Against Jewish Students on Campus Monday, August 12, 2024 Patrick Dai, 22, formerly a junior at Cornell University and originally from Pittsford, New York, was sentenced today to 21 months in prison, followed by three years of supervised release and a special assessment in the amount of $100 for posting threats to kill or injure another person using interstate communications. “Every student has the right to pursue their education without fear of violence based on who they are, how they look, where they are from or how they worship,” said Assistant Attorney General Kristen Clarke of the Justice Department’s Civil Rights Division. “Antisemitic threats of violence, like the defendant’s vicious and graphic threats here, violate that right. Today’s sentencing reaffirms that we will hold accountable those who violently threaten and intimidate others based on their religious practice or background. The Justice Department will continue to protect all Americans against bias motivated crimes wherever they occur, including college campuses.” “Today, former Cornell University student Patrick Dai was sentenced to serve 21 months in prison for posting anonymous threats to kill Jewish students,” said U.S. Attorney Carla B. Freedman for the Northern District of New York. “Before imposing a sentence, the court found that this was a hate crime under the federal Sentencing Guidelines because Dai targeted Jewish students and substantially disrupted the university’s core function of educating its students. The defendant’s threats terrorized the Cornell campus community for days and shattered the community’s sense of safety. My office will continue to aggressively investigate and prosecute threats and acts of violence motivated by antisemitism and by hatred of any kind.” “Mr. Dai’s actions serve as a disturbing reminder of the terrifying hatred our Jewish communities encounter simply because of their beliefs,” said Special Agent in Charge Craig L. Tremaroli of the FBI Albany Field Office. “Thanks to the strong partnerships between our Joint Terrorism Task Force (JTTF), the New York State Police and the Cornell University Police Department, Dai was quickly identified, charged and has remained in custody since that hateful day in October 2023. This sentence should serve as a reminder that the FBI will continue to work diligently with our law enforcement partners to investigate any individual who perpetuates hate crimes to ensure our college campuses and communities at large remain free of hateful individuals who threaten the safety of Americans.” As part of his previously entered guilty plea, Dai admitted that, on Oct. 28 and 29, 2023, he posted threatening messages to the Cornell section of an online discussion forum, including posts that said “gonna shoot up 104 west” (a dining hall at Cornell University that caters predominantly to Kosher diets and is next to the Cornell Jewish Center that provides residential accommodations for students) and “gonna bomb jewish house.” In another post, Dai threatened to “stab” and “slit the throat” of any Jewish man he saw on campus, to rape and throw off a cliff any Jewish women he saw and to behead any Jewish babies. In that same post, Dai threatened to “bring an assault rifle to campus and shoot all you pig jews.” The FBI’s Joint Terrorism Task Force, which includes the New York State Police, investigated the case, with assistance from the FBI Albany Field Office, Cornell University Police Department and Ithaca Police Department. Assistant U.S. Attorneys Geoffrey J. L. Brown, Stephen C. Green and Michael D. Gadarian for the Northern District of New York prosecuted the case, with assistance from the National Security Division’s Counterterrorism Section and the Civil Rights Division’s Criminal Section. Updated August 12, 2024
I mean thats all he does on these boards 24/7. I dont know why youre so suprised. If you are have not read the laken riley act that was signed today it gives power to ICE to deport any immigrant including DACA who are accused of a theft.. You do not have to be convicted of a crime but simply accused. If you know someone who has a visa you can now call 911 accuse that person of theft and ICE Is required by law to detain that individual and deport them. We're living in dark dark times. Its facism 101
You do not have to be convicted to have your visa revoked. If you are simply accused of theft you are required by law to be detained and deported. If you participate in any hostile protests the government seems "unamerican" you are eligible for deportation Quit lying to people
I agree. OS definitely sometimes gives off fascism energy with his constant deflecting and bad faith "I don't understand you" nonsense when pressed with questions he's uncomfortable being frank about Sorry OS trig, but this is just based off of what you type. Look inward to not have this perception of you be the one people come away with.
