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Trump education policy

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Os Trigonum, Nov 12, 2024.

  1. Os Trigonum

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    has been discussed in other threads but deserves its own thread

    link should work for everyone:

    https://www.wsj.com/us-news/educati...6?st=bJ5xZ2&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

    Trump Gears Up for Assault on Wokeness With Education Overhaul
    The president-elect has laid out big changes for America’s classrooms, including expanding school choice—and shutting down the Department of Ed
    By Matt Barnum and Douglas Belkin
    Nov. 11, 2024 at 9:00 pm ET

    President-elect Donald Trump has vowed to remake education in the U.S., pledging to exert more control over funding and classroom lessons, to curb what he views as left-leaning tendencies at universities and even to dismantle the Department of Education.

    If his White House delivers on those promises, more families could get money to send kids to private school. Schools would face pressure to limit accommodations for transgender students and to end some initiatives aimed at addressing racial disparities.

    The goals are at once ambitious and controversial.

    “There are a lot of very smart people who are very excited to get into positions where we can actually start making change happen,” said Tiffany Justice, a Trump ally and the co-founder of the conservative parents group Moms for Liberty.

    Eliminating the Department of Education
    Trump has promised to close the Education Department and has criticized U.S. school spending.

    In his first term, he proposed merging the education and labor departments, but Congress didn’t proceed. It isn’t clear whether lawmakers would go for the idea in a second term, nor how the department’s functions—such as protecting students’ civil rights, providing funding for students with disabilities and distributing student loans—would be handled if it were closed.

    Some Republicans have been reluctant to eliminate the department or cut federal funding that flows to schools in their constituencies. An Associated Press poll last year found that nearly two-thirds of Americans said the federal government spends too little on education.

    “I don’t think you’ll see enormous cuts because that’s super unpopular,” said Michael Petrilli, president of the Thomas B. Fordham Institute, a conservative education think tank.

    Trump will have to fill the education secretary role for now. Cabinet positions often go to prominent politicians and political allies.

    Presidents sometimes look to state education chiefs. High-profile leaders in Republican states include Oklahoma’s Ryan Walters, who has fought culture-war battles in schools; Louisiana’s Cade Brumley, who has supported private-school choice and tougher school disciplinary measures; and Florida’s Manny Diaz Jr., who has overseen many conservative policy changes.

    In an interview, Walters said he is focused on implementing Trump’s agenda in Oklahoma. Through a spokesperson, Brumley said “my focus is on continuing the historic educational progress we are making in Louisiana.” Diaz, through a spokesperson, said if asked to serve, “Of course you listen.” Justice of Moms for Liberty said that she would be open to the position, though hasn’t spoken to the Trump team about it.

    A Trump transition spokeswoman didn’t comment on specific candidates.

    Waging war on ‘woke’
    Trump has said he would use the power of the purse to limit left-wing ideology in schools and universities.

    Although a president can’t immediately cut off money to any school, he could use various laws to pressure schools to address antisemitism on campus, disband programs that focus on nonwhite student groups or reduce accommodations for transgender students.

    Trump has said that he believes that Title IX, which bars sex discrimination in education, should prevent transgender girls from playing on female sports teams. This would be a stark reversal from the Biden administration, which has interpreted Title IX to prohibit discrimination based on gender identity.

    During the campaign, Trump attacked Kamala Harris for being too supportive of transgender rights, an issue that resonated with some voters.

    Trump has also indicated that he would use civil-rights law to challenge critical race theory, a term used by conservatives to describe some efforts to teach about racism and racial disparities. This could include targeting university diversity, equity and inclusion offices, legal analysts have said.

    “On issues that I worry about…this is at the top,” said Rachel Perera, a fellow at the Brookings Institution, a center-left think tank.

    Another tool Trump has at his disposal is the accreditation system, which gives universities access to federal money. He has called it a “secret weapon.”
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  2. fchowd0311

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    Let's hope he's lazy and just expresses these things as a form of entertainment to rile up the base.


    Most right with grievances about "wokeness" deal with them interacting with said "wokeness" through their social media feeds rather than being affected by it in real life. This creates a situation where Trump can just say he solved wokeness in schools and as long as these people's social media feeds say Trump has won the war on wokeness, these people will think the problem is solved.

    Like how many right wing voters in this country are going to audit universities to check if they are still teaching "CRT" in some random graduate course? None. These issues are trivial issues that right wingers latch on to because their social media feed tells them to be angry about it.
     
  3. Os Trigonum

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    let's assume for the sake of argument the Project 2025 blueprint somewhat resembles Trump's intended education policies. Here are the first few pages providing an overview.

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  4. Xopher

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    Perhaps you should rename the thread to "Trump re-education policy" LOL
     
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    I see what you did there.
     
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    The Heritage Foundation's local group here in our area did sort of a mini Project 2025 here with the school district where they:

    -Forced out the popular black principles because of social media post "investigations" (one of them was because he had a photo on the beach with is white wife kissing each other. The other was a call for unity during George Floyd protests).
    -put a cap on property taxes as a giveaway for local rich people
    -literally taped off the libraries of the schools like a crime scene until the school board "investigators" could do a review
    -Cut the school lunch program
    -etc. etc.

    And within just two years -
    -Had to hold a vote this election to raise back taxes because school district is in the hole for millions
    -Had to get help from the Biden administration DOE to bail them out
    -All of the librarians resigned
    -Major teacher shortage with classrooms of 40+ kids at a time
    -Attendance is down majorly which leads to less funding in Texas
    -I hear about kids getting sick constantly from cafeterias because of poor food quality, preparedness, and safety
    -1 of the right wingers just lost their seat on the board. Another one left to go work for a private equity firm.

    ......

    I put all this out there to say that sometimes you have to just let people touch that hot stove so they learn. What's sad though is that the lives of those two principles and their reputations have been ruined. One of them looks like they are looking to enter politics and run as a Democrat here in North Texas but I suspect the rumors started on him here will carry over into Republican efforts to further demonize him.

    So do it Trump... blow up the Department of Education. See what happens. People decided to touch that hot stove and they are going to get burned. That's the only way people learn I guess.
     
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    Policy seems contradictory. Feds use the Dept of Education to influence how state and local bodies do education. If you abolish the department, you have no lever to use to end the wokeness.
     
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    GOP strategy seems to be from here on out to pump out the red state voter turnout as high as possible. So as long as Red controlled state legislators express how they are ending wokeness at the state level in these red states, you can motivate turnout in red controlled states. Being a Massachusetts resident means a lot of the harm Trump will cause will be mitigated here. Sucks if you are a Texan resident.
     
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    Horrible horrible horrible. Education shouldn't be for profit. Government should not be giving more money to schools that are private and already charge tuition.

    A significant portion of school funding for title I schools comes from the department of Ed. It will greatly hurt the education of students that need it the most.
     
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    link should work for everyone

    Trump pledged to close the Education Department. What would that mean?
    The Department of Education provides about 10% of K12 funding, enforces civil rights laws and runs the $1.6 trillion student loan program.

    https://wapo.st/3UMNo1s
     
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    It also seems contradictory to the general Republican ideology of small non intrusive government that keeps its hands out of your personal life.

    "You don't want the gov tellin you how to live or think" and then, the Gov openly wants to dictate political ideologies in schools to influence how kids think.


    Are there already political ideologies in schools? Of course, politics will be where people are, but is it currently government-mandated or organically occurring? I guess I'm for whatever as long as it's for my team.
     
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    You're thinking of the old, pre-MAGA Republican party that wanted small government and large personal freedom. Trump ain't about that life.
     
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    (putting hand on heart)
    I pledge allegiance. To the Donald...
     
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    Balanced budgets are for p*****s.

    We do it BIG around here.

    No LOW T men around here.

    Deporting 15-20 million illegals is going to cost a trillion dollars and not an eye will be batted.

    I want my covfefe BLACK - no sugar needed - in a BIGLY coffee mug

    WINNING! MAGA!
     
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    I did like his idea about internships for students.
     
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    Morbidly High T-Bill Count
     
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    In a court system that isn't stacked towards mango Mussolini it would get stuck down because the government is making decisions on staying in the US based in what speech is acceptable.

    And yes, the Constitution's bill of rights apply to all "peoples".

    The Constitution specifically differentiates when a right is reserved specifically for citizens (voting in federal elections)

    But speech, due process, illegal search and seizures not being allowed apply to any human that is within the United States borders.

    Hence why Gitmo couldn't be in the US.
     

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