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Before 1965 - Nothing was MERIT BASED

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Rocket River, Jan 22, 2025.

  1. Nook

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    You are an embarrassment to the University of Texas.
     
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    Regarding the title of the thread, how do you know things were not merit based before 1965? Maybe they were merit based, but you just didn't like the outcomes? I'd like for the OP to explore this and report back.
     
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    When qualified applicants aren't allowed to apply, their merit isn't added to the candidates.
     
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    This genuinely has to be the dumbest thing you've ever said...... did you really ask if candidates were judged based off merit before the civil rights act? Like im confused do you think white schools had some exemption for smart black students?

    Like do white people not know that before the civil rights act it was illegal for black students to attend white colleges in certain states?
     
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    Oh Lord, you're talking about the last time you mattered? Dickie Moegle aren't you? 1954?
     
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    Who plays SS, 2B, CF, LF?

    Not now, but in the future. Like next year?
     
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    Apologies...wrong thread
     
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    rockbox Around before clutchcity.com

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    Until the democrats stop focusing on issues that only effect a very small percentage of Americans and focus on things that effect all of the working class, they will continue to lose elections. Not to say that protecting small minorities against the tyranny of the majority isn't noble, they aren't going to be able to do it if they don't get working class white people to start voting for democrats again and getting young people to get excited enough to vote. I'm not a big AOC fan but she would have gotten more votes than Kamala. Even democrats never voted for Kamala.

    Trump has won two elections. You have accept that what democrats are doing isn't working.

    I just hope Trump doesn't set this country back decades in the next 4 years. Ugh.
     
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    I think this is the wrong take away because this ignores the right wing propaganda tactic that is irrelevant to how Democrats message.

    Democrats never for the past two decades for example concentrated on trans issues. Some local sports leagues made their own independent decisions over time in trans athletes. Medical professional created their own guidelines on trans treatment guidelines for minors. None of these things came from Democrat politicians. These were organic things that occured apolitically.

    The right has this efficient tactic of finding esoteric academic literature that is used for niche purposes and spam it to oblivion on social media as mainstream views that Democrats hold.

    Democrats don't concentrate on the plights of minorities like trans people. That's a myth. The GOP has won the optics war in this regard and your post is a example of them winning. Sorry to say it in that manner. Your post genuinely is example of GOP propaganda working in spades.
     
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    All the organs were deciding who should be the boss....
    Long
    "I should be in charge," said the brain , "I run all the body's systems, without me nothing would happen."

    "I should be in charge," said the heart , "I circulate oxygen and nutrients all over."

    "No! I should be in charge," said the stomach, "I process the food that gives us energy."

    "I should be in charge," said the legs, "without me the body couldn't go anywhere."

    "I should be in charge," said the eyes, "I allow the body to see where it goes."

    "I should be in charge," said the anus, "I am responsible for waste removal."

    All of the other body parts laughed at the anus and insulted him. So he shut down. Within a few days, the brain had a terrible headache, the stomach was bloated, the legs got wobbly, the eyes got watery, and the heart pumped toxic blood. They all decided that the anus should be the boss.

    What is the moral of the story? Even though everybody else does all of the work the ass hole is usually in charge.





    You confuse intelligence with being an asshxle

    Rocket River
     
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    Are you insane
    Have you not paid attention
    That is not how this country works

    The Repugs will push us back 75 yrs
    and we will be lucky is the Democrats move the need til we are only back 50 years

    Republicans push us back 5 steps
    and
    the democrats MAYBE correct us back 2 steps

    Rocket River
     
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    You mean... like... other than Trane and Bird and Duke and Billie and Count and Meher Baba and Confucius and Jesus and the Buddha and the entirety of spiritual, intellectual, philosophical, scientific, and creative development in the history of all mankind?

    You mean, like, before a year for some reason we decided to number 1965, nothing was merit based - other than literally every last achievement and act possessing and instilling one single iota of value to humanity in any way at all?

    Is that what you mean, mang?
     
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    History shows that isn't what happens in the USA.

    That isn't to say that the USA is close to perfect or even good enough - but history has thus far shown that these things happen in waves and there is an over correction back.
     
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    Assuming you are asking in good faith...I hope you are.

    My father experienced a great deal of bias and got passed for promotions despite being more talented and accomplished engineer when he arrive to the US - yet younger engineers with just a year or two of experience would be promoted to or above his level. It wasn't until the world changed a great deal that he was appreciated for his skill and talent. He couldn't get basic work when he first came here. He almost went back but got one break to work on a construction project in Louisiana - a nuclear power plant - hired because at the time they really needed engineers and someone saw his experience and didn't care where he was from. He worked twice as hard to get what others didn't have to try for because of his background. 40 years later in a different world, he became responsible for making US nuclear power plants safer and terrorist proof and literally wrote the book on how to do it. Yet if the world still was the way it was in the 60's, he'd have never been given the change to do it. And that would have cost everyone because he would find flaws in structures that no one would see or even agree with. He'd find that a wall would fail in 10-15 years and would develop cracks in a few. They'd say he was wrong but 3 years later call him back after it started showing signs of fatigue and ask him to fix it because they couldn't find anyone that knew how. That would never happen in 1965.

    So people who say diversity is bad just don't know how the world actually works. The point of DEI isn't social justice. It is MERITOCRACY. It's about ensuring the best are put into a position to have the most impact, and not letting biases impede with that.
     
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    New entry.
    My father has been battling blood cancer for about a year.
    They live in woodville so they have sought out a new hemotolagest in Houston.

    The new Dr. Just put my father on a medication that costs. Get this. 8k a month.
    They recieved a grant to cover the first two months, but 8k. Come on.
     
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    I find myself saying things of this nature nowadays -- 'I tried to stop it but this is the misery America voted for' kinda stuff. And its true and satisfying in several ways, not least of which is that we're literally politically powerless to do anything about it. But it's also a pretty cold thing to say, so I'm going to try to stop. The subtext is 'it sucks for you but I'm a white male myself, so maybe I'm sympathetic but ultimately I can walk away.' Maybe there's nothing I can do to help, but I'm not going to tell people I'm walking away from them.

    While the signaling of where this Administration wants to go is obvious, its important to remember he can't just repeal the Civil Rights Act or other laws like that. It's just an EO. But of course even an EO has real world effects. So, I went to look at what this EO does beyond the requirements of the law. It seems like the main thing might be that while the CRA required nondiscrimination, the original EO proactively audited federal contractors to ensure nondiscrimination. So revoking the EO means discrimination is still illegal, but the federal government won't be proactively looking for it.

    Probably a lot of companies that contract with the federal government will be relieved because they won't have the burden of the auditing and reporting necessary to comply. And many of these companies are already going to be diverse for their own reasons. On the flipside, racist execs can likely get away with discrimination and still get federal contracts (they can be sued, but that sounds like a much harder avenue). Maybe more insidiously, the motivation for HR depts (or funding, since HR is just a cost center) to put in the work of recruiting in non-mainstream channels where perhaps more minorities can be found will slacken.

    But, big picture, the federal government will only be surrendering its leadership position in driving integration and they will be like everybody else. A lot of the economy is comprised of companies that do not contract with the federal government. So we can expect federal contractors to revert to the mean of diversity in the broader economy which, while not great, isn't nearly as bad as things were in 1965.
     
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    Prayers to you and your family, it's really the wild west out here when it comes to healthcare.
     
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