b****es who try to be cute and can't be frank with their beliefs because of their b****ness trigger me. Now go run around like a b**** and call the woke police about my misogyny for calling you a b****.
You see a meltdown in someone calling you a b****. I see a meltdown in someone who resorts to using "Muslim lover" as a insult.
Read through the whole thread and kept seeing your stance about just laying down and going back to El Salvador would be okay with you. Even though you disagree with retroactively applying the order, you would comply because you love America, etc etc. Definitely made me concerned that you were drinking the Trump kool-aid way too much and were putting up an act because you didn't want to admit that this is troubling to think about. Although the current order would not impact you, assuming that it gets upheld somehow, it bothered me that you were so quick to be okay with it (if it were to impact you) just because it came from Trump. My thoughts is that immigration laws need to be fixed in this country. We keep talking about it, yet we don't do anything about it, the reason being that America needs immigration, whether legal or illegal. Think about it, we already subsidize the farming industry in this country to make it profitable venture. You take away migrants from the equation, and we are going to struggle to find individuals to do the work even in this age of automation. That in turn will kick up prices, which Americans b**** about all the time. It's the reason we fight so hard to allow us to tip workers, rather than provide them a livable wage, we want the option of wanting to be cheap. When Trump starts his next trade war, inflation is going to go through the roof since we are so dependent on cheaply made goods. We as Americans exploit cheap labor. We like to talk about how come individuals don't just come through this country the right way, meaning legally. The reason is poverty. My dad and mom live in Mexico. My mom works a retail job and she makes 2,000 pesos a week ($100), this is about 48 hours of work. My dad works whatever job he can find, since they discriminate against his age, and he maybe brings in $1,600 to $2,200 pesos a week. You think my parents would not rather be here in the states, even if it was making minimum wage? Minimum wage sucks across the border. You also have to feed your family, which means that most people are unable to save money to do things the legal way. Most people that love to talk about doing things the legal way is people that came from a family of privilege, from a family that could afford to pay for a lawyer to help them through the paperwork they had to do to come to America legally. America needs immigrant labor.
Its a matter of perspective. Like it's a matter of perspective if someone who believes that Jews collectively try to make society hate white people and does two empathic Seig Heils on a presidential inauguration day ceremony is a Nazi or not. Just like it's a matter of perspective if calling somebody a b**** multiple times is a meltdown or someone who has to resort to "Muslim lover" as an insult is having a meltdown. Maybe we both are but it different ways. I'm having a meltdown over bigotry and being coy about it and you are having a meltdown over your ego being insulted.
I am familiar with Japan. I am not Japanese but I have Japanese family members and have been there several times. So I am not an expert but I am familiar with the restrictive immigration policies and the cultural reasons for them. As for Canada - many Canadians right now are not happy with the immigration policy there and they do not handle immigrants as well as the USA either. I cannot speak for others, but I have approached the discussion in good faith, I am not necessarily against further immigration controls - depending on what the restrictions are. What I do have an issue with it a President (any President) deciding that an Executive Order can be used to invalidate a Constitutional Amendment. The proper procedure is to formally repeal the Amendment. We have those checks and balances for a reason. Also - there are many ways to control immigration other than attempting on a whim to try and invalidate a Constitutional Amendment with an Executive Order.
Judge in Seattle blocks Trump order on birthright citizenship nationwide https://archive.is/HmNDv#selection-2293.0-2309.173 excerpt: A federal judge in Seattle blocked, temporarily, President Donald Trump’s attempt to rescind birthright citizenship — the idea spelled out in the Constitution that every person born in the United States is an American citizen. Senior U.S. District Judge John Coughenour on Thursday was blistering in his criticism of Trump’s action as he granted a temporary restraining order that blocks Trump’s executive order from taking effect nationwide. “I’ve been on the bench for over four decades, I can’t remember another case where the question presented is as clear as this one is. This is a blatantly unconstitutional order,” Coughenour, an appointee of Ronald Reagan, said from the bench. “There are other times in world history where we look back and people of goodwill can say where were the judges, where were the lawyers?” Coughenour interrupted before Brett Shumate, a Justice Department attorney, could even complete his first sentence. “In your opinion Is this executive order constitutional?” he asked. Shumate said “it absolutely is.” “Frankly, I have difficulty understanding how a member of the Bar could state unequivocally that this is a constitutional order,” Coughenour said. “It just boggles my mind.” The executive order will remain blocked for at least 14 days while lawsuits in Washington and elsewhere over Trump’s action proceed. more at the link
It should be possible to address the need in an organized and legal way that doesn't involve bringing in unvetted criminals.
American's have lots of problems and flaws. I also will not claim that America is free of prejudice towards immigrants - it is a fact and always has been. In the 1790's Irish were sent back on a boat and died on the voyage back. Having said that - Americans IMO are far better to immigrants than the other places in the world I have spent a lot of time, and immigrants also do not stick out like a sore thumb like they do in other parts of the world. When I was in Europe it was definitely worse for immigrants and there was no "melting pot". When I spent time in Japan and China, it was far worse. The worst I have seen was actually the Middle East. I don't say this to excuse the behavior and attitudes in the USA present and in the past, but more to point out that almost across the board immigrants have it hard and are not treated as citizens of their new country. The only exception I have seen is an American in England and vice versa - it really isn't an issue in my experience. I had zero negative experiences as an American living in Northern Ireland - but I saw Africans and Indians and Pakistani's and Poles all treated terribly poorly....
