So Lebron, KD and Kawhi arent MVP players? lol. Curry at his best is only top 4. He only plays one side of the ball unlike the other 3. As good as Curry is Klay was also a top 10 since Curry by himself isnt gonna make them beat the regular season record.
Yall see how ridiculous this conversation becomes if the definition “franchise player” is “player good enough to lead a team to a championship?” We’re now arguing whether HOF players are franchise players. How stupid.
Okay? Why top 5? Dirk finished 6th in the MVP voting that same year. Dirk was a franchise player. Never said they had to win a ring, said that they had to be good enough to be a #1 on a team that could win a title. There are some players that were good enough to lead a team to a title that failed to do so. Never said that - Booker wasn't even the best player on the Suns when they went to the Finals.... Chris Paul was the best player on the Suns.
Finished 6th so you dont need to be a top 5 to be a franchise player? Why dont you define what is a franchise player to you? If your definition is the bold then tbh your definition is like I said, you cant prove or disprove it until it happens. Its. nonsense definition. How do you know someone is good enough to lead a team to the ring without him doing it? Chris Paul best player on the Suns???? Bruh.
You are really overrating Bosh. He was not better than Dirk and never a top 10 player. Klay was never a top 10 player either. LeBron and maybe Wade were better than Dirk, but LeBron definitely didn’t play like he was that series. Hell, folks wondered if he was better than Terry that series. And it doesn’t really matter if you have stars if the team shoots 41% on threes like Dalllas did that series.
You are the one stretching credibility. Curry has never been better than Kawhi, Lebron and KD. He has had more help than those 3 but individually he has never been better. Kawhi, Lebron and KD are dominant at both sides of the ball, Curry is not even a good defender. You realize defense is important and wins championships yes or no?
lol. It's ridiculous. Paul is a franchise player because his team made the Finals? That’s absurd. He was barely third team All NBA that season. This, in a nutshell, is my problem with this approach to defining a “franchise” player.
Again you are using past events to color your statements. Because Dirk won, he is better than Bosh and Wade. If we need to wait for events to happen before we say anything there's no point to this discussion. Lets just wait till the Rox current players get old and washed and then we can say if Sengun or Jalen are good enough players to lead the team to a title.
At no point in Bosh’s career was he considered better than Dirk, or a top 10 player. Wade, maybe, as I already acknowledged. I still remember him going lotto in the East before LeBron came. Either way, he played better than all of them that series and LeBron played like ****. How you actually play is all that matters.
If how you play is all that matters why are you even arguing with me? Rox havent even reached the playoffs and Sengun and Jalen are just 22. We dont know how they will play in the next 10 yrs. They can suck for 5 yrs straight and then be gods in the playoffs. Nobody knows.
At the end of the day its pretty simple @Nook, if you use feats/accomplishment to say whether a person is a franchise player or not you can't then say you are looking at the roster and don't see a franchise player. You wont know if Sengun and Jalen can lead the team to a title till they retire. They can fail for 8 yrs and then win 1 year like Dirk. You can't look at 22 yr old Dirk and say you know he is a franchise player because in 2011 he will win a ring. Put it another way, how do you even know Rockets dont have a franchise player? You dont know how these players' careers will turn out in the next 10 yrs. Jalen can die in an accident tom. Or he can win 3 MVPs in the next 5 yrs. Everything is possible.
You don't know, why is it important to know? I don't get why yall are so hung up on it being unknown and subjective. Yeah, it is unknown and subjective, why is that a problem? We're all just on here stating our opinions. Do you think someone is good enough to lead a team to a championship? If yes, that guy is a franchise player to you. And if I think he's not, then he's not a franchise player to me. We are allowed to disagree. What's wrong with that? I think Harden was a franchise player, I think Barkley was too. They never won but they could have. I don't think Carmelo was and I don't think Westbrook was, but other people do. It's a subjective label.
Its not a problem, the problem is you are replying to me when I am responding to Nooks statement that he looked at the Rockets roster and doesnt see a franchise player. If you are free to state your opinion then I am free to state mine to disagree with you. Not sure why you want opinions but only for you.
I never said anything about that. Of course you can say your opinion, I prefer that you do. He thinks there's no franchise player and you think there is, and that's fine. Again, the part I think is weird is that you are challenging his terminology. I think the way he defines it is fine and the label is fine. I'm just putting my opinion out there, I'm not telling you not to post yours.
If you think Dirk is a franchise player because he won a ring how can you say there is no franchise player on the Rockets? You dont know if Sengun and co will never win a ring in their entire career. How is that fine when it is contradictory? If you think posters posting their opinion no matter what is fine why did you even start arguing with me?
Dude nobody said he's a franchise player because he won a ring. He was a franchise player before he won. Luka has not won a ring, neither has Shai, but everyone would agree they're franchise players. The further down the spectrum you go, the more people will disagree. Everyone thinks the 2nd best player in the nba is a franchise player, not everyone thinks guy #12 is.
Maybe you should read back on what Nook said. Nook also said Chris Paul is the franchise player of the Suns and not Devin Booker because Paul played well in the playoffs. Not sure why everyone is arguing with me using their own definitions of what a franchise player is. You arent Nook and I wasnt arguing with you what is and isnt a franchise player.
