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Hamas attacks Israel: Yom Kippur War, 50 years on

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  1. Exiled

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    Smart move, all the blame will be diverted to Biden, he will cherry pick the credits,I expect further stunning moves will come after (if) Cash Batal confirmation


    Israel now has to release their losses and casualties, Netanyahu will be eaten alive

     
  2. Nook

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    This was never about eliminating Hamas or the Palestinian conflict. The extreme on both sides want this to continue. What this did was galvanize moderates and keep the status quo. Hamas gets new recruits from all over the world, and Israeli extremists got to kill a lot of Arabs and now Gaza will be almost impossible to rebuild.

    At least Iran got embarrassed some.
     
  3. Nook

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    LOL No.

    There are a number of militaries that could do what the IDF is doing against an enemy like Hamas.... especially when they are not worried about collateral damage. The IDF has very good technology (thank you USA), very good intelligence and their actual military is mediocre in numbers.

    All that the IDF could do is use the technology that they received from the USA to reign down on a bunch of people, many of which are bystanders, children and the infirmed. When it came to boots on the ground - they were ****ed.... which is why they didn't invade Iran...

    This outcome of this was all very foreseeable - they get to keep the cycle up for awhile longer.
     
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    To your point:

    Two days before Israel and Hamas reached a long-awaited cease-fire and hostage-release deal, Itamar Ben-Gvir, a rebellious far-right Israeli minister, issued a video statement calling on another far-right coalition partner to join forces and scupper the agreement by quitting Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s government.

    Mr. Ben-Gvir also asserted that these far-right coalition parties had used their political leverage to thwart a similar deal “time after time” over the past year, causing an uproar.
     
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  5. Nook

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    LMFAO Trump trying to take credit for it.

    Go ahead - take credit for it Donald, Israel bent over and took it up the ass from bunch of guys hiding in a cave.
     
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    Wrong. The Biden Administration announced today that they have been working closely with the Trump team on this project. It's the Trump team that will monitor and actually implement the terms and conditions of the plan over the coming weeks and months. So ask yourself -- what changed to get this done? The answer is Trump's involvement.
     
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    nonsense, it's purely a coincidence this thing goes into effect January 19 . . . this is Biden finishing strong, making voters wish he had run again for another four years of similar successes
     
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  8. Nook

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    Okay - sure, let's go with that... it's not true but Trump initially wanted credit for this deal - which is bad for Israel.... so let's go ahead and give Trump credit for it. He is responsible for and brokered this.
     
  9. HTM

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    You believe it's a total coincidence this deal was brokered 5 days before Trump comes into office or the fact Trump is coming into office in 5 days played no role in this?

    I don't think you believe that.
     
  10. Os Trigonum

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    he may not have negotiated anything here, but I have to think Trump making wild-ass threats a week ago got the Hamas folks a little nervous

    Palestinians in Gaza fear further violence as Donald Trump threatens Hamas with 'gates of hell'

    https://www.newarab.com/news/gazans-fear-further-death-donald-trump-threatens-hamas-again
     
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    Get the last 20 or so living hostages out.

    Release the 1,000 or so terrorists into Gaza. It won't take long until these murderers strike again.

    Then kill all the terrorists.
     
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    Wipe them out the moment they do anything.
     
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    I have to think that was AI generated :cool:
     
  15. Os Trigonum

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    holy shite that guy is real and his remarks apparently are real

     
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    Give it time, until the media catches up. After all, Ben is one of the greatest leaders in history, and T-dog brokered it.


    I think a ceasefire today is probably better than one tomorrow, personally.
     
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    link will work for everyone

    https://www.wsj.com/opinion/israel-...5?st=SLFhkt&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

    Trump and the Israel-Hamas Hostage Deal
    Will he break from the Biden script to end Hamas’s rule of Gaza?
    By The Editorial Board
    Jan. 15, 2025 at 5:34 pm ET

    When a President elects to use it, American power is something to behold. That’s one lesson from the Israel-Hamas hostage deal reached Wednesday, with only days to spare before Donald Trump’s inauguration. It’s an echo of the U.S. hostages freed from Iran in the Reagan Presidency’s first minutes.

    Naturally, President Biden took credit. “I laid out the precise contours of this plan on May 31, 2024,” he said in a statement. So why is it happening now instead of then, when Hamas rejected it? For a year his Administration pushed this rock up the hill, only to see it roll back down each time.

    Then the U.S. election changed the regional calculus. Threatening “all hell to pay” if hostages weren’t freed by Jan. 20, Mr. Trump—and American power—changed the incentives for the parties.

    Israel’s cabinet will meet Thursday to approve the deal, which is expected to begin Sunday and free 33 of the 94 remaining hostages held by Hamas, dead or alive. This will be in the deal’s first six-week phase. We hope the seven Americans are among them. The abuse hostages have suffered is heartbreaking, and their emancipation from their tormentors will be cause for celebration.

    To an Israeli society holding its breath since Oct. 7, 2023, this comes as a relief. But the next breath must take in the deal’s steep cost: First, the release of about a thousand Palestinian terrorists, including more than a hundred serving life sentences. Some of the murderers are sure to return to the fight and cost innocent lives in the future, Palestinian and Israeli. This makes the deal a hard choice, but one that is for Israelis to make.

    Second, Israel will withdraw from most of Gaza, including the Netzarim corridor that bisects the strip, and retreat to the buffer zones it created. Such strategic, territorial concessions go far beyond the usual prisoner releases common to most hostage deals. Israeli withdrawal has been part of Mr. Biden’s plan all along, pressed as well by Mr. Trump’s Middle East envoy Steve Witkoff.

    No surprise, then, that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is under heavy fire from the Israeli right for accepting the deal, including many in his own party. They accuse him of surrendering the military gains in Gaza, for which 400 soldiers have given their lives, and abandoning the Strip to Hamas.

    But Hamas made concessions too, including on the Philadelphi corridor that blocks its supply route from Egypt and on inspections of Gazans returning to the Strip’s north. Most important, Hamas gave up its demand that Israel agree to a permanent end to the war at the start of the deal’s first phase.

    This means that if negotiations fail after the first phase, Israel can resume fighting to pursue Hamas’s defeat and the freedom of the rest of the hostages. Those who count out Mr. Netanyahu’s determination to do so haven’t been paying attention.

    The alternative is to negotiate indefinitely, as Mr. Biden proposed Wednesday, or move to the deal’s next phase, which includes a permanent end to the war that would likely doom Gaza to remain a Hamas jihadist state. This would be a phony peace that prepares the way for the next Hamas attack against Israel—perhaps on President Trump’s watch.

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    The key variable will be Mr. Trump’s willingness to back Israel if Hamas refuses to return the rest of the hostages, disarm and agree to a non-terrorist government in Gaza. Six weeks from now, will Mr. Trump give Israel the backing to exit from the deal and finish Hamas? He pledged Wednesday to “work closely with Israel and our Allies to make sure Gaza NEVER again becomes a terrorist safe haven.”

    That sounds closer to the remarks of his national-security adviser Mike Waltzand the rest of the prospective team. On Tuesday Pete Hegseth told Senators, “I support Israel destroying and killing every last member of Hamas.” On Wednesday Marco Rubio said, “How can any nation-state on the planet coexist side by side with a group of savages like Hamas?”

    Israel always had to fear that the Biden Administration would try to force it to stop short of destroying Hamas, which held out hope that Mr. Biden would force Israel into a premature deal. That’s why talks went nowhere until Mr. Trump’s election victory.

    If Mr. Trump were to go back on his word and seek to stop Israel from ending Hamas rule in Gaza, this deal’s legacy will likely sour as emotions fade. If he stands by Israel, it will be a signal to Iran & Co. that the Biden appeasement is over and American power is beginning its comeback.

    Appeared in the January 16, 2025, print edition as 'Trump and the Hostage Deal'.


     
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    Jesus christ youve been a dumbass since day 1. Part of the agreement they made is trump will allow them to bomb iran. Congratulations to an iran war and west bank annexation
     
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    Its funny how brainwashed you've been all along. Bibi doesn't want Hamas gone. As I said earlier in this thread as long as Hamas is in power a 2 state solution will never happen as the Palestinian side is divided.

    Hamas will regain power
     
  20. tinman

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    I’m pretty sure the new administration green lit some contingencies for the terrorists

    besides Gaza looks like LA now, but LA has rich people to rebuild .
     
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