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[NY Post] Trump wants to buy Greenland, again, after claiming US could take back ownership of Panama

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    If there’s one conspiracy theory I actually believe in it’s this one that the elite billionaires are actually in on cooking the planet for profit and just plan on building their new life of luxury on a thawed out Greenland.

    Trump obviously hears what these other guys say behind closed doors and is just saying the quiet part out loud as always.
     
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    Even if a second Holocaust occurred beat by beat but the concentration camps used death by feeding brown people to sharks instead of gas chambers they’d get all worked up that “SEE.. he’s not anything like Hitler! You guys are crazy TDS libtards who are sheep that follow actual Hitler’s footsteps because Hitler wore brown and red and so did Kamala with her pantsuit one day.”

    The semantic gymnastics and gaslighting is just too predictable all the time. You can see it coming a mile away.

    No Trump isn’t Hitler because nobody is Hitler. It’s 2025 and that was 1945. It’s a different world. But both men are leaders who have the following which makes any man in this situation just as dangerous as the other:

    -Powerful military
    -delusions of grandeur
    -manifest destiny agenda
    -unchecked power as head of state
    -messianic like status with cult following of large percentage of population

    Many sub characteristics, and environmental factors contribute in one figure having different outcomes than the other. However the fact of the matter is all are dangerous as hell. Nobody should have the kind of power that Trump has regardless of where his heart is and we don’t even have to speculate because he tells us that all the time.
     
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    How Much Would Buying Greenland Cost?
    President-elect Donald Trump wants to buy the territory from Denmark, which says it’s not for sale. DealBook asked experts how they’d approach the deal.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/11/business/trump-greenland-cost.html

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    David Barker, a real estate developer and former economist at the New York Fed, helped us with the thought experiment. (Barker made waves in 2009 when he argued that the American purchase of Alaska in 1867, for less than 2 cents per acre, was a bad deal from a purely financial investment perspective.) Here’s his back-of-a-napkin math for valuing Greenland, which he estimated could be worth between $12.5 billion and $77 billion.

    Alaska might not be the best comparison. Trump has said he wants to acquire Greenland for national defense reasons, which wasn’t the clearly defined case for the Alaska Purchase. (In 2025 dollars, the deal was worth more than $150 million.)

    Consider the Virgin Islands instead. The United States bought what were known as the Danish West Indies from Denmark in 1917 for $25 million (about $657 million today) because of national defense concerns. Greenland is obviously much bigger, but in both cases the defensive value is based on location rather than size.

    One way of doing the math: Barker suggested using the prices for the Virgin Islands and Alaska as starting points but adjusting them based on the nominal change in gross domestic product for the United States or Denmark to account for both inflation and economic growth. “A bigger economy can afford to pay more, and a bigger economy would probably demand a larger price,” he said.

    • For the low-end valuation, he adjusted the purchase price of the Virgin Islands for the 500-fold growth in Denmark’s G.D.P. since 1917. That implied a Greenland price tag of $12.5 billion.

    • Adjusting the $7.2 million cost of the Alaska purchase for the growth in U.S. G.D.P. produced the high end of $77 billion.
    Neither comparison is perfect. The purchase of the Virgin Islands was more recent, while Alaska has a similar climate and size. “The feeling of many at the time of the Alaska Purchase was that the U.S. had overpaid, while this was not true of the purchase of the Danish West Indies,” Barker said.

    The approach makes less sense if national defense isn’t the main objective. The United States has long had a military presence on Greenland, and Denmark is a NATO ally, noted Nikola Swann, the global head of governments and multilaterals at SwissThink, a credit markets consulting firm.

    Access to Greenland’s stores of minerals like copper and lithium, which are useful for critical technology like batteries and electric vehicles, may be more important to the United States, Swann said.

    Barker said basing a valuation on Greenland’s resources could be more difficult. “If Greenland really helps us to defend the U.S., then its value increases with the size of the U.S. economy,” Barker said. “If the only value of Greenland was minerals, then the size of the U.S. economy wouldn’t have much effect on the price.”

    The Financial Times suggested that Greenland’s resources justified a valuation of $1.1 trillion, but Barker said the tongue-in-cheek estimate made a dubious assumption. “The U.S. government would not receive the full benefit of resource extraction,” he said. “It would sell drilling and mining rights to companies whose bids would leave room for their own costs and profits.”
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    more at the link
     
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    I'll back off a little of the military action criticism, Trump has started conversation in Denmark and some of the guys on Meet The Press were saying that's how he starts discussions on topics with over the top remarks

    That being said it's hard not to be concerned after he tried to over turn the election. When Trump was elected in 2016 my attitude was let these anti government people have their shot. What could he screw up. Then there was the covid response followed by the attempts to over turn the election.

    You just don't know with this guy
     
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    The opinion section from the NYP is known for it's provocative foreign relations pieces.
     
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    Well at least the homeless people in Greenland like the US.... when Trump JR buys them a meal.
     
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    Where do you get this crap? Ever been to Denmark? I have, several times. The cartoon belongs in a dumpster. Come to think of it, so do you.
     
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    https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2025/01/the-greenland-debates.html


    The Greenland debates
    by Tyler Cowen
    January 13, 2025 at 1:02 am in Current Affairs, Law, Political Science

    I would say we have not yet figured out what is the best U.S. policy toward Greenland, nor have we figured out best stances for either Greenland or Denmark. I am struck however by the low quality of the debate, and I mean on the anti-U.S. side most of all. This is just one clip, but I am hearing very much the same in a number of other interchanges, most of all from Europeans. There is a lot of EU pearl-clutching, and throwing around of adjectives like “colonialist” or “imperialist.” Or trying to buy Greenland is somehow analogized to Putin not trying to buy Ukraine. Or the word “offensive” is deployed as if that were an argument, or the person tries to switch the discussion into an attack on Trump and his rhetoric.

    C’mon, people!

    De facto, you are all creating the impression that Greenland really would be better off under some other arrangement. Why not put forward a constructive plan for improving Greenland? It would be better yet to cite a current plan under consideration (is there one?). “We at the EU, by following this plan, will give Greenland a better economic and security future than can the United States.” If the plan is decent, Greenland will wish to break off the talks with America it desires. (To be clear, I do not think they desire incorporation. This FT piece strikes me as the best so far on the debates.)

    Or if you must stick to the negative, put forward some concrete arguments for how greater U.S. involvement in Greenland would be bad for global security, bad for economic growth, bad for the U.S., or…something. “Your EU allies won’t like it,” or “Trump’s behavior is unacceptable” isn’t enough and furthermore the first of those is question-begging.

    It is time to rise to the occasion.

    p.s. I still am glad we bought the Danish West Indies in 1917. Nor do I hear many Danes, or island natives, complain about this.



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    There is quite a bit of conflation going on between the US outright owning Greenland and the US negotiating stronger economic ties with Greenland. Few people have a problem with the latter, and from what I can tell Greenlanders would probably welcome it.
     
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    All 74 of them might not. But most would.
     
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    lol. people just hate Trump, if he has anything to do with it, they're against it ;)
     
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    Let us not forget "The Big Lie", which was about Hitler and his henchman; but tell me you can't draw modern comparisons to Orange Jesus?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie
    • never allow the public to cool off;
    • never admit a fault or wrong;
    • never concede that there may be some good in your enemy;
    • never leave room for alternatives;
    • never accept blame;
    • concentrate on one enemy at a time and blame him for everything that goes wrong;
    • people will believe a big lie sooner than a little one;
    • and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it
     
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    You mean Denmark, and by extension NATO/Europe? Not to denigrate the native population which I think there are about 50k, but the primary geopolitical governing body there is Denmark and NATO.

    I guess the counter question there is why on earth would the US President need to threaten a NATO country/territory in order to achieve better ties with them? The US is a vital member of NATO. Before Thanksgiving I wouldn’t think it’s a good idea to slash my grandma and uncle’s tires before they travel to my house in order to have a more pleasant holiday.

    Yes I get that Trumpers love to talk about the “method to the madness” and gloat that NATO increased their contributions in 2018 etc etc. but we still should be able to at least criticize the recklessness, malicious intent, and unnecessary risk.

    Trump propagandists like Os Trig love to gaslight that it’s us that’s crazy for daring to criticize the dear leader but when you step back to realize how stupid this it’s pretty clear. The premise doesn’t make sense because our relationship would only need to be repaired because Trump broke it with malicious intent just like an abusive husband who cheats, blames his wife, and convinces her to let him come home again after he hires the best lawyer in town and threatens to take away her kids.
     
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    I think one of the primary motivating factors for Trump’s interests in Greenland is access to its natural resources. I believe that access will need to be negotiated with Greenlanders.
     
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    lol
     
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    why lefties/Dems will keep struggling for the foreseeable future
     
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    I love the "Trump threatening Denmark" schtick these disingenuous people are running with.

    *Trump discussing the subject of Greenland many times never threatening to use military force*

    Agent provocateur journalist: "Will you rule out using military force on Greenland or the Panama canal?"

    Trump: "No I can't assure on either of those two"

    Democrats: TrUmP iS ThReAtEnIng GrEeNlanDDDDD
     
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