The 60 game sample was picked for exactly the reason you think. However it also doesn’t really matter because the sample size is fairly large. I suspect if you lowered it to 50 or raised it to 70 you’d still get the trend in improvement but not as pronounced as the author wanted it. But the point that he’s an improving player trending in the right direction shouldn’t be lost.
This. The starting point was when people thought he leveled up. Its that simple. It isn't arbitrary. We see this type of analysis ALL THE TIME also for young players improving. You always see something like "last 15 games player x seems to have figured it out. Look at these stats over this span". Who is going to call that arbitrary? And we are speaking of 60 games here.
You are arguing with 2 guys that say they are happy with Jalen's apparent progress. You're defense is just over the top. We are just pointing out that stats can be cherry picked or whatever you want to call it, to convince people to your point of view. The news media does it all the time, by cherry picking stats or obsfucating others to back one politician over another. Smart people can discern when stats have teeth or when they are being used to push an agenda. The use of stats needs to be combined with personal knowledge and the "eye test" to make a meaningful argument.
So it isn't cherry picked or are you still disagreeing? I don't know how averages of a player over the past 60 consecutive games they have played is "arbitrary". Look at this point I'm just kinda annoyed at people's use of language being arbitrary. Using a player's last 60 game averages isn't arbitrary lol. Yes the eye test... Something I agree with on principle but no one is going to be persuaded by someone saying "the eye test" clears for a player they have some biases against.
Averages with whatever number of games do not show a trend. It shows the general quality of a body of work. "Trend" by definition is the progressive comparison of different periods of time. To show a trend, we need to line up consecutive groups of games, be it 1 game or 10 games. If you do a game by game trend, all the way from the beginning, you'll get a graph like the stock market graph, up and down, up an down, but you can also see the long term trajectory. If you do it season by season, Jalen's trend is pretty flat. If you do it by every 20 games or 50 games or whatever, or a running average, I don't know what you'll get. Probably something similar to the game by game graph. Just showing the average of the last X amount of games does not really show a trend. And the number X is pretty arbitrary. If it starts with a hot streak, then there's the suspicion of cherry picking.
It shows how he has played the last 60 games.... That's it. You and I have different definitions of arbitrary. And this notion that the only good games he has had in those 60 games is the March stretch last season and the past couple of weeks is stupidly reductive. Don't people remember the first couple of weeks where Green literally was our best player in almost every conceivable way from BPM, on/off impact etc? This also reflects on the concept that we as fans mainly watch our team's players. This creates a spirit where someone b****es about Green scoring 20 pts in one quarter and 2 pts the next and calls him inconsistent for that while ot realizing most big scoring nights by all-star players often have these wild fluctuations quarter to quarter also. Jalen Green is still inconsistent but a 60 game body of work shows he's a far different level of player thanbis first two seasons. That's the point. Ask yourself if you'd be happy if after Green's rookie year someone told you within the end of his third year and the first quarter of his fourth season over a 60 game sample he's averaging 22 ppg on 55% ts while being a good defender on a 40-20 team? Arbitrary implies small sample size or sample sizes that have criteria that doesn't make the consecutive games like "the past 60 games where there was a quarter moon". Its literally just his past 60 games.
I'm probably a terrible person to answer this because i was higher on jalen predraft and after his rookie season than almost anybody, but if you told me after his rookie season where he shot .426/.343 on a TS only 3% below the league, as a 19-20 year old rookie guard that in his 4th season he would be shooting .415/.331 on a TS 6% below the league i'd have assumed he had a major injury, because that would be the only possible way. I thought he was gonna be a star and a legit number 1 offensive engine.
Now if someone told you the later numbers are on a 50+ win team and the former numbers are on a 20 win team what would you say?
I would be happy that the rockets got better, but the team record would have no impact on my view of jalen, or maybe make me a little more disappointed since it would mean he had better teammates/coaching.
The number 60 is arbitrary, no? Why do you want to know about his last 60 games? Why not 82, which is the number of games for a regular season? Why not 47, 39, 11, or whatever number. If you can't answer this "why" question, that means there is no good reason for the number 60. Therefore it is arbitrary. If someone wanted to show the averages of his last X games and intentionally chose the starting point at the beginning of a bad streak, would you feel that he's trying to make the average look bad?
No he hasn’t! I need Jalen to take Curry’s dribbling masterclass. Once Jalen improves his ball handling and learns to protect the ball at all costs, he’ll be absolutely unguardable. Curry’s Masterclass: https://www.masterclass.com/classes/stephen-curry-teaches-shooting-ball-handling-and-scoring Jalen, if you’re reading this. Please take this course!
You've posted this twice, but I really don't think Jalen is gonna read this. And I'm certain individualized coaching is far better than any online course, if we're being real here. Aaaand it comes across as you advertising for Curry's masterclass, which most of us definitely don't care for.
I'm just curious do you read my other posts in other threads also about how being on tanking teams makes it easier for young guards to score? I've explained many times where and I feel like I'm going on a loop with boys who don't actually read reasonings and just restate their arguments with slightly different variation of wording. You aren't a bot right?
Just because you say something doesn't make it a fact....you have your opinions. Ya i'm definitely a bot idk how you didn't figure that out sooner.
Prove to me you aren't a bot by explaining why. Why is it easier for a young on ball shot creator to score on a elite defensive team asking said you g player to go all out on defense and still have the legs and cardio to maintain food efficiency and volume on the other end. Why is it harder to put up buckets on a team where the coach couldn't care less how much effort you put up on D? What do they say about tanking teams? Somebody got to score? Explain yourself. That's all I ask.
People asking if he figured it out but that doesn't mean anything. He's playing better mainly because with Amen in the starting lineup the pace has significantly picked up. Jalen can be himself more with Amen because they both play downhill. He's still the same player with better driving lanes
I don't need to prove anything to you, i don't really care, it's not that deep for me. If you think i'm a bot, while amusing, that's cool.
